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Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Quite so.
So, we provide sources for the claims and now are called *seriously disordered by hatred*, that we *treasure it and nurture it and lasciviously drool over it*, and that it might be a form of *morbid delectation*.
Condemned if you do, condemned if you don’t.
There’s no winning with some Roman Catholics.
INDEED TO THE MAX.
“Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but BY HER MANIFOLD INTERCESSION CONTINUES TO BRING US THE GIFTS OF ETERNAL SALVATION. By her maternal charity, she cares for the brethren of her Son, who still journey on earth surrounded by dangers and difficulties, until they are led into their blessed home. Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of ADVOCATE, HELPER, BENEFACTRESS, and MEDIATRIX” (Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, chap. 8, II, 62, pp. 382-383). A plaque in the Chapel of the Virgin of the Grace at Saints Vincent and Anastasius Church in Rome says, “Cardinal Benedetto Odescalchi, who became the pope with the name of Innocent XI, initiated THE WORSHIP OF THE IMAGE, placed on the altar in 1677, and wanted his heart to be buried here, not in the main chapel.”... "...“As St. Irenaeus says, she being obedient, became the cause of salvation for herself and for the whole human race. Hence not a few of the early Fathers gladly assert with him in their preaching ... ‘death through Eve, LIFE THROUGH MARY.’ This UNION OF THE MOTHER WITH THE SON IN THE WORK OF SALVATION is made manifest from the time of Christ’s virginal conception up to his death” (Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, chap. 8, II, 56, pp. 380-381).
Mary is not a co-mediator between God and men. Mary did not nor does she today "collaborate" with Christ in His role as Savior. Mary does not bring us "the gifts of eternal salvation."
Rome preaches another Gospel. Rome believes a lie. Rome makes the Son subservient to the mother. Rome teaches idolatry. Flee from it.
As I said before, I don’t care if you believe me.
YUP.
And it's THAT chronic denial of the truth and brazen propagating of outrageous lies and deceptions [while labeling Proddys unwarrantedly as liars]
that results in the shockingly accurate label of THE VATICAN'S ALICE IN WONDERLAND SCHOOL OF THEOLOGY AND REALITY MANGLING.
INDEED TO THE MAX
1. The death of Jesus Christ is sufficient for the salvation of our sins. This is Church teaching
I thought the cooperation of baptised catholic is also necessary.
2. God willed that this work of salvation be accomplished through the collaboration of a woman, while respecting her free will (Gal. 4:4) But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law.
How is that any more special than any servant who has obeyed Gods call? Scripture says no one born of woman was greater than John the Baptist.
3. All God's creatures -- Mary included, need to accept Christ/God. This us co-operating (in the sense of only saying "yes") with God's plan and His work and His grace in our salvation. We do NOTHING to save oursevels except to accept HIM. Do you agree with this?
No, we are given Faith as a gift. Belief is not cooperation. If i dont believe in something, I wont co-operate.
Do you mean to imply that we have eternal life the moment we "accept" Him?
Do you mean to say that accepting Him implies that we will continute to cooperate to gain heaven and then find out at death whether we cooperated enough?
he is teaching that the all-sufficient sacrifice has to be completed by being preached, accepted, and embraced by our cooperation and that our suffering plays a mysterious part in this action. In that way the Redemption of Christ is applied and brought alive in the present moment by our own cooperation in that one, full, final sacrifice. No one says we are equal to Christ; instead, by grace, our cooperation becomes a part of Christ’s all sufficient sacrifice.
If Christ's sacrifice is all sufficient how can our cooperation be come a part of it? It is either ALL sufficient or its not.
How much cooperation is necessary?
How can this "cooperation" not be the basis of boasting?
And yet you're here.
I realize Roman Catholic apologists are determined to control the FR RF, but I didn't know that desire included restricting which days of the week non-Catholics could post.
No one "misconstrued" or "misrepresented" what you said. But since that appears to be your only defense for your errors, we'll just have to be satisfied and hope for more on Thursday.
Or in 20 minutes.
15. Mary was not discarded by God once her purpose was completed. Instead, God installs her into an eternal relationship with God as a tool for God's plan for salvation of the world.
Unheard of by the early church for hundreds of years.
Where did this "revalation" come from?
Theories based out of whole cloth.
16. By her maternal charity, she cares for the brethren of her Son, who still journey on earth surrounded by dangers and difficulties, until they are led into their blessed home
Chapter and verse?
What is the "conspiracy of silence" and "false doctrine of salvation" you're talking about?
All you did was to post the same excerpt.
When most of us link to articles or websites, we know why we're doing so.
You haven't told us why you're linking to that website, nor what that site is even discussing.
So enlighten us or we'll conclude the link is as bogus as most of the stuff you post.
It must be a “poor translation.”
Another “poor translation.”
ok...
That’s about right.
lol. Sad. More insane RC revisionism.
Soon we'll hear that Rome was the victim of the Inquisitions, and not their perpetrators.
Tens of thousands of Huguenot men, women and children slaughtered in their sleep.
Rome destroys, and then says "who, me?"
Would seem none of you knows what your church doctrine is...Every time we bring it up, you tell us to search for it...You guys can't seem to provide it...
It also would seem that when one of yours posts something he or she believes is church doctrine but it isn't, one of you would make the correction to avoid all the confusion...
No creature could ever be counted along with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer; but just as the priesthood of Christ is shared in various ways both by his ministers and the faithful, and as the one goodness of God is radiated in different ways among his creatures, so also the unique mediation of the Redeemer does not exclude but rather gives rise to a manifold cooperation which is but a sharing in this one source.Point 56 reads
56. The Father of mercies willed that the incarnation should be preceded by the acceptance of her who was predestined to be the mother of His Son, so that just as a woman contributed to death, so also a woman should contribute to life. That is true in outstanding fashion of the mother of Jesus, who gave to the world Him who is Life itself and who renews all things, and who was enriched by God with the gifts which befit such a role. It is no wonder therefore that the usage prevailed among the Fathers whereby they called the mother of God entirely holy and free from all stain of sin, as though fashioned by the Holy Spirit and formed as a new creature.(5*) Adorned from the first instant of her conception with the radiance of an entirely unique holiness, the Virgin of Nazareth is greeted, on God's command, by an angel messenger as "full of grace",(286) and to the heavenly messenger she replies: "Behold the handmaid of the Lord, be it done unto me according to thy word".(287) Thus Mary, a daughter of Adam, consenting to the divine Word, became the mother of Jesus, the one and only Mediator. Embracing God's salvific will with a full heart and impeded by no sin, she devoted herself totally as a handmaid of the Lord to the person and work of her Son, under Him and with Him, by the grace of almighty God, serving the mystery of redemption. Rightly therefore the holy Fathers see her as used by God not merely in a passive way, but as freely cooperating in the work of human salvation through faith and obedience. For, as St. Irenaeus says, she "being obedient, became the cause of salvation for herself and for the whole human race."(6*) Hence not a few of the early Fathers gladly assert in their preaching, "The knot of Eve's disobedience was untied by Mary's obedience; what the virgin Eve bound through her unbelief, the Virgin Mary loosened by her faith."(7*) Comparing Mary with Eve, they call her "the Mother of the living,"(8*) and still more often they say: "death through Eve, life through Mary."(9*)Point 57 reads
This union of the Mother with the Son in the work of salvation is made manifest from the time of Christ's virginal conception up to His death it is shown first of all when Mary, arising in haste to go to visit Elizabeth, is greeted by her as blessed because of her belief in the promise of salvation and the precursor leaped with joy in the womb of his mother.(288) This union is manifest also at the birth of Our Lord, who did not diminish His mother's virginal integrity but sanctified it,(10*) when the Mother of God joyfully showed her firstborn Son to the shepherds and Magi. When she presented Him to the Lord in the temple, making the offering of the poor, she heard Simeon foretelling at the same time that her Son would be a sign of contradiction and that a sword would pierce the mother's soul, that out of many hearts thoughts might be revealed.(289) When the Child Jesus was lost and they had sought Him sorrowing, His parents found Him in the temple, taken up with the things that were His Father's business; and they did not understand the word of their Son. His Mother indeed kept these things to be pondered over in her heart.(290)
"...the view Calvin was presupposing had in themselves nothing whatever to do with evangelical doctrine..."
Spare us the revisionism. Calvin's sermons and Commentaries and the "Institutes of the Christian Religion" say otherwise.
There are few men Rome despises as much as Calvin.
If for no other reason, that fact identifies Calvin as a man who followed the word of God rather than the doctrines of men.
I’ve never seen it.
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