Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
>>The same can be said for Catholic Answers<<
TRUST me, Catholic Answers doesn’t stand for the church.
Unless you’re a Progressive Catholic.
Wideawake is right. NO ONE speaks for The Church unless it’s the Vatican. If you can’t fine the Same teaching on Vatican.va, it should be held in doubt.
Anyone can say they are Catholic and whether it’s Michael Voris or Bridget Mary Meehan, if it isn’t found with a Vatican document that says what a person proclaims The Church says, it’s in doubt.
Otherwise everyone from those who think Mary is co-redemptrix to those who think women should be priests can be taken as “Catholic”. Neither of those ideas are Catholic no matter what those “Catholics” want.
RealCatholicTV's YouTube channel link for the same video
I've watched the videso several times but do not see that it changes the original intent at all. The "bad king, bad country, verses good kind, good country," means the same thing, doesn't it? What, after all is a "good king." Isn't it a Catholic king? Those are the examples given.
If this is an apology, it is a a very disingenuous one. It ends up saying the same thing.
I have no objection to these individuals expressing their point of view, but if it is their view, it ought not be obfuscated. If I'm not mistaken, that view is that the only good government is one that enforces Catholic principles.
Am I wrong?
Hank
What “Catholic principles” in government are you objecting to?
LMAO!!!
‘What actual power/influence did Constantine, as emperor, have over the Church when he converted?’
Constantine converted on his death bed. His influence on the Church subsequent to that point was through his son Constantine II.
Dr. Brian Kopp wrote:
“Frankly, the same can be said for any priest posting on a private website or blog or writing a book published by any non-diocesan or magisterial entity.
In fact, it would eliminate 99% of the Catholic internet presence as well as Catholic publishing and periodicals if you limit it to only those individuals with authority to speak for the Church.
So...what was the point we were trying to clarify?”
The point is quite clear vis-a-vis the Roman Magisterium. And the point has been made before in history in other circumstances, e.g.: “Der Fuehrer befiehl, wir folgen,” otherwise known officially as the “Fuehrerprinzip.” While this is certainly not the language of the Roman magisterium, the meaning is inarguably the same.
“What ‘Catholic principles’ in government are you objecting to?”
Sorry, where did I say I objected to “Catholic principles”?
Hank
On his deathbed? Wasn’t his wife also very influential is his conversion?
“DUMB article -dumb, just dumb...”
Since the entire article consists almost exclusively of material from Catholic sites I presume you consider those Catholic opinions “dumb.” I’m sure most Catholics will not appreciate that.
Hank
“”Otherwise everyone from those who think Mary is co-redemptrix to those who think women should be priests can be taken as “Catholic”. Neither of those ideas are Catholic””
A women being a priest can never happen because it’s dogmatically impossible,but you’re wrong about Mary Co Redemptrix because you might misunderstand the meaning of it
Pope John Paul II explains...
MARY’S CO-OPERATION IS TOTALLY UNIQUE
Pope John Paul II
http://www.ewtn.com/library/papaldoc/jp2bvm48.htm
1. Down the centuries the Church has reflected on Mary’s co-operation in the work of salvation, deepening the analysis of her association with Christ’s redemptive sacrifice. St Augustine already gave the Blessed Virgin the title “co-operator” in the Redemption (cf. De Sancta Virginitate, 6; PL 40, 399), a title which emphasizes Mary’s joint but subordinate action with Christ the Redeemer.
Reflection has developed along these lines, particularly since the 15th century. Some feared there might be a desire to put Mary on the same level as Christ. Actually the Church’s teaching makes a clear distinction between the Mother and the Son in the work of salvation, explaining the Blessed Virgin’s subordination, as co-operator, to the one Redeemer.
Moreover, when the Apostle Paul says: “For we are God’s fellow workers” (1 Cor 3:9), he maintains the real possibility for man to co-operate with God. The collaboration of believers, which obviously excludes any equality with him, is expressed in the proclamation of the Gospel and in their personal contribution to its taking root in human hearts.
Mary’s co-operation is unique and unrepeatable
2. However, applied to Mary, the term “co-operator” acquires a specific meaning. The collaboration of Christians in salvation takes place after the Calvary event, whose fruits they endeavour to spread by prayer and sacrifice. Mary, instead, co-operated during the event itself and in the role of mother; thus her co-operation embraces the whole of Christ’s saving work. She alone was associated in this way with the redemptive sacrifice that merited the salvation of all mankind. In union with Christ and in submission to him, she collaborated in obtaining the grace of salvation for all humanity.
The Blessed Virgin’s role as co-operator has its source in her divine motherhood. By giving birth to the One who was destined to achieve man’s redemption, by nourishing him, presenting him in the temple and suffering with him as he died on the Cross, “in a wholly singular way she co-operated ... in the work of the Saviour” (Lumen gentium, n. 61). Although God’s call to co-operate in the work of salvation concerns every human being, the participation of the Saviour’s Mother in humanity’s Redemption is a unique and unrepeatable fact.
Despite the uniqueness of her condition, Mary is also the recipient of salvation. She is the first to be saved, redeemed by Christ “in the most sublime way” in her Immaculate Conception (cf. Bull Ineffabilis Deus, in Pius IX, Acta, 1, 605) and filled with the grace of the Holy Spirit.
3. This assertion now leads to the question: what is the meaning of Mary’s unique co-operation in the plan of salvation? It should be sought in God’s particular intention for the Mother of the Redeemer, whom on two solemn occasions, that is, at Cana and beneath the Cross, Jesus addresses as “Woman” (cf. Jn 2, 4; 19, 26). Mary is associated as a woman in the work of salvation. Having created man “male and female” (cf. Gn 1:27), the Lord also wants to place the New Eve beside the New Adam in the Redemption. Our first parents had chosen the way of sin as a couple; a new pair, the Son of God with his Mother’s co-operation, would re-establish the human race in its original dignity.
Mary, the New Eve, thus becomes a perfect icon of the Church. In the divine plan, at the foot of the Cross, she represents redeemed humanity which, in need of salvation, is enabled to make a contribution to the unfolding of the saving work.
Mary is our mother in the order of grace
4. The Council had this doctrine in mind and made it its own, stressing the Blessed Virgin’s contribution not only to the Redeemer’s birth, but also to the life of his Mystical Body down the ages until the “eschaton”: in the Church Mary “has co-operated” (cf. Lumen gentium, n. 63) and “co-operates” (cf. ibid., n. 53) in the work of salvation. In describing the mystery of the Annunciation, the Council states that the Virgin of Nazareth, “committing herself wholeheartedly and impeded by no sin to God’s saving will, devoted herself totally, as a handmaid of the Lord, to the person and work of her Son, under and with him, serving the mystery of Redemption by the grace of Almighty God” (ibid., n. 56).
The Second Vatican Council morever presents Mary not only as “Mother of the divine Redeemer”, but also “in a singular way [as] the generous associate”, who “co-operated by her obedience, faith, hope and burning charity in the work of the Saviour”. The Council also recalls that the sublime fruit of this cooperation is her universal motherhood: “For this reason she is a mother to us in the order of grace” (ibid., n. 61).
We can therefore turn to the Blessed Virgin, trustfully imploring her aid in the awareness of the singular role entrusted to her by God, the role of co-operator in the Redemption, which she exercised throughout her life and in a special way at the foot of the Cross.
The premise is DUMB -those that advance it are at best dingbat whacko loony tunes moonbats.
You do understand that POWER & FORCE over those unwilling is required for a dictatorship.
Catholics choose obedience to the Truth that the Church teaches.
Are you afraid of obedient Catholics such as myself?
I will tell you I have no fear or hatred of the idiot that wrote this nonsense or of the idiots that promote it.
LMAO!!!!
He executed Fausta, his wife, some years earlier, by locking her in an overheated bath. They think she had been conspiring against the Emperor with his son, Crispus, whose head he had cut off.
You might be thinking of his mother, Saint Helena, former concubine of the Emperor Constantius I. She died seven years before her son.
Yes, you’re right. His mother. Thank you!
INDEED.
No society in human history has ever been more politically pluralistic than the Catholic Christendom of the Middle Ages.
Indeed. It is sad that Euro-Americans are so totally ignorant of their common ancestry. Secularist historians have tried to blacken the highest and freest civilization in all known history as an apologetic for the decadent, Godless modern dystopia.
The Vatican does not give Mary the title of Co-redemptrix.
That was JPII’s opinion on her co-operation. NOT dogma on Co-Redeptrix. In fact, the word Co-Redeptrix is not even found in a search of it.
When we get “More Catholic than the Pope” we step out of bounds.
Unless you can find where Mary was given the title “Co-Redemptrix” on Vatican.va, it’s NOT the official dogma of the Church.
Period. It has nothing to do with my misunderstanding. I understand that the Vatican has never made this dogma and a lot of people’s wishful thinking, both for it and against us.
What a bunch of nonsense.
Pracha Dang, a member of the Serm Sook Church in northern Thailand, cares for the church property and is a member of the church council. A former Army veteran who served in the Korean War, he now lives on his government pension.
For many years before his conversion, Pracha had been plagued by extremely poor health, including tuberculosis. He received Christ as Savior when Foursquare pastor Art Chutong went to his home, prayed with him, and led him to the Lord.
When Pracha came to the church worship service, one of his physical problems was healed instantly. A month later he was hospitalized for tuberculosis, but Pastor Chutong visited him and prayed for him. The next day he was released from the hospital with a clean bill of health—he was completely healed of tuberculosis!
A short time later, God had another surprise for Pracha and his wife—a new son, born 18 years after the birth of their last child! They named their son David.
However, David began having problems with his eyes recently. His eye-sight became dimmer and dimmer until he couldn’t see anything. He came to a Friday night prayer meeting and the church prayed for him. His healing began. By Sunday he was completely healed and his eyesight remains perfect. If anyone questions if God heals today, have him call Thailand and speak to Pracha Dang!
Phil Franklin
Former [Foursquare] Missionary to Thailand
Thank you so much for sharing those with us!
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