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To: stfassisi

The Vatican does not give Mary the title of Co-redemptrix.
That was JPII’s opinion on her co-operation. NOT dogma on Co-Redeptrix. In fact, the word Co-Redeptrix is not even found in a search of it.

When we get “More Catholic than the Pope” we step out of bounds.

Unless you can find where Mary was given the title “Co-Redemptrix” on Vatican.va, it’s NOT the official dogma of the Church.

Period. It has nothing to do with my misunderstanding. I understand that the Vatican has never made this dogma and a lot of people’s wishful thinking, both for it and against us.


137 posted on 08/27/2010 8:23:19 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am inyenzi on the Religion Forum)
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To: netmilsmom

“”That was JPII’s opinion on her co-operation””

So, you think Pope JP II was a heretic?

Explain how Mary’s free decision to say yes (fiat) is not co operation with redemption?

The Church Fathers say otherwise when they call Mary the New Eve

“For as Eve was seduced by the word of an angel to flee from God, having rebelled against His Word, so Mary by the word of an angel received the glad tidings that she would bear God by obeying his Word. The former was seduced to disobey God, but the latter was persuaded to obey God, so that the Virgin Mary might become the advocate of the virgin Eve. As the human race was subjected to death through [the act of] a virgin, so it was saved by a virgin.” Irenaeus, Against Heresies, V:19,1 (A.D. 180).


143 posted on 08/27/2010 8:43:51 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: netmilsmom; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...
That just doesn't wash at all with most Proddys.

Nor, I think, with most rational common sense blessed folks of any persuasion.

There's abundant documentation from various levels of the Vatican hierarchy applauding, encouraging, supporting, adroing, worshipping, that concept and Mary in that role amongst a list of other UNBIBLICAL roles as I've repeatedly documented.

THEY COULD EASILY ORDER A STOP TO ALL SUCH IN THE STRICTEST TERMS an ecclesiastically punish anyone who did otherwise.

THEY DON'T.

THEY DO THE OPPOSITE.

THAT MEANS SOMETHING.

SHEESH.

151 posted on 08/27/2010 8:50:21 PM PDT by Quix (C THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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