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Why I’m Not Roman Catholic
Josiah Concept Ministries ^ | 20 04 09

Posted on 08/19/2010 5:55:44 PM PDT by Gamecock

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To: Northern Yankee
What's Bringing So Many Catholics Home? (Part 2) [Catholic Caucus]
What's Bringing So Many Catholics Home? (Part 1) [Catholic Caucus]

21 posted on 08/19/2010 6:23:30 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: sueuprising

I grew up as a Methodist but have a Catholic wing of the family. The idea of arguing over this sort of thing is completely foreign to me.


22 posted on 08/19/2010 6:23:44 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: cripplecreek
Personally I’m mostly curious about who is so intent on sparking fighting between Catholics and Protestants over the last few years.

A FRoly war!
23 posted on 08/19/2010 6:23:54 PM PDT by TSgt (And the war came.)
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To: Gamecock

Excellent post. Sums up most of my reasons for being a Protestant. The Mary idolatry and veneration of the Pope are sacrilegious and offensive. The same with all the elaborate ceremony and the insertion of the priest in the individual’s confession of sin. Why does a believer have to confess to a priest? How can a priest grant absolution for anything? They’re only human as the headlines about sexual abuse within the church plainly demonstrate.

The idiocy that surrounded the death of John Paul II—come on, the guy was a terrific leader and person but he was a man, not a god.


24 posted on 08/19/2010 6:25:23 PM PDT by WestSylvanian
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To: cripplecreek

Good question. Many Catholics would like to know the answer to that too. We understand the negative media, but are some Christians this negative about Catholics?

Perhaps, they just don’t know us well enough.


25 posted on 08/19/2010 6:25:52 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: muawiyah
She was prophesied in the very same prophesies as Jesus What are you talking about? God is described in male terms for the purposes of depicting the attributes of a Father. God is for all intents and purposes a "He" and not a "She" in language. That He is a spirit points to His nature and to His image in both men and women. However, when He chose to reveal Himself to men and dwell amongst us, He came as a man, Jesus. There is no biblical female counterpart, although there are many women in the Bible and in Jesus's ministry that are held in high regard amongst believers.
26 posted on 08/19/2010 6:26:45 PM PDT by sueuprising
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To: cripplecreek
It's to Satan's benefit to have good Christians focused on squabbling with each other, rather than fighting his works on Earth.

Sadly, there are a great many "good Christians" doing the work of Lucifer right here on FR.

27 posted on 08/19/2010 6:26:57 PM PDT by Malacoda (CO(NH2)2 on OBAMA.)
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To: gorush

You would be right at home in the Latin Mass that is coming back.

You need search no longer; you are always welcome to return. Find a church close to you that celebrates a Latin Mass!


28 posted on 08/19/2010 6:27:40 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: TSgt

FreeRepublic used to be a Conservative website. It is being taken over by Christians. I have often wondered if christian websites are being taken over by conservatives. Either way, I mourn the loss of the old FR, bc as it were.


29 posted on 08/19/2010 6:27:54 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Gamecock

“dispensing of grace by sacraments”

Except we don’t teach this. You aren’t saved because you take the sacraments, you are saved by the grace of God through faith in Christ.

“veneration of saints and Mary”

Veneration simply means to honour. You venerate those who have given their lives for their country. And you do the same for the Saints, including Mary.

“the Eucharist”

Yeah, it is disgusting. Eating Christ, sure. Which is why it’s a hard teaching. You can have your faith without suffering, in the spirit and not in the flesh. But we are creatures of both the flesh and the spirit. To deny one without the other is to deny what we are, that the resurrection is not one of spirit but of flesh.

“and the alleged infallibility of the Pope”

In faith and morals? Is your problem with infalliability in faith and morals.


30 posted on 08/19/2010 6:28:45 PM PDT by BenKenobi (We cannot do everything at once, but we can do something at once. -Silent Cal)
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To: gorush

The Latin Mass is still around - and growing in popularity all the time.

If you ever want to find one, this can help: http://www.latinliturgy.com/id6.htm


31 posted on 08/19/2010 6:29:16 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: Salvation

Like I said, that was a joke. My references to truth are far more relevant to my point.


32 posted on 08/19/2010 6:29:16 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Gamecock
"Reading that post, as well as listening to his extended Dividing Line podcast has led me back into the fold of Calvinism"

Don't know how to break this to you, but very few here care about your navel gazing.

33 posted on 08/19/2010 6:29:49 PM PDT by SnuffaBolshevik
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To: Northern Yankee; cripplecreek
The author is well aware that he is misrepresenting the Church's teaching. The entire point of the exercise is to use deceit in order to confuse the well-meaning.

Like cripplecreek I also wonder what the true motivation of those who post such nonsense is: clearly by using epithets like "Romanism" and making extravagantly offensive statements like calling the Holy Eucharist "disgusting" the goal is primarily to cause animosity.

34 posted on 08/19/2010 6:30:18 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: MamaB

“Many are called, few are chosen.”


35 posted on 08/19/2010 6:31:49 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: sueuprising
You just (almost amazingly) missed the whole point ~ the "Virgin" was prophesied. None of the Apostles were prophesied.

There is much more to the Jesus story than his Earthly ministry.

All of these things point to a vast reality just beyond our ken ~ and Jesus will be the master of it all. Anyone who has been prophesied is certainly part of that vast reality ~ and is not to be sniffed at.

Now I don't have the answers here, but neither do others.

36 posted on 08/19/2010 6:32:45 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Malacoda
It's to Satan's benefit to have good Christians focused on squabbling with each other, rather than fighting his works on Earth.

Sadly, there are a great many "good Christians" doing the work of Lucifer right here on FR.

I noticed that. A lot of "my religion is better than your religion - your religion is based on falsehoods". I mean, really. where's the Christian behavior in all of it?

I don't believe Mormon theology is for me, but I'm not going to spend my time and efforts constantly attacking them here on FreeRepublic.

For me, this is where I come to learn and share with fellow conservatives, and I have found that many Mormons share my conservative positions.

Now having said that, I can't help but wonder how many of my fellow Freepers will attack me for saying so.

37 posted on 08/19/2010 6:33:32 PM PDT by airborne (Why is it we won't allow the Bible in school, but we will in prison? Think about it.)
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To: Northern Yankee
A distinction without a difference. As worded in the Catholic Encyclopedia:

“The Adorableness of the Eucharist is the practical consequence of its permanence. According to a well known principle of Christology, the same worship of latria (cultus latriæ) as is due to the Triune God is due also to the Divine Word, the God-man Christ, and in fact, by reason of the hypostatic union, to the Humanity of Christ and its individual component parts, as, e.g., His Sacred Heart. Now, identically the same Lord Christ is truly present in the Eucharist as is present in heaven; consequently He is to be adored in the Blessed Sacrament, and just so long as He remains present under the appearances of bread and wine, namely, from the moment of Transubstantiation to the moment in which the species are decomposed (cf. Council of Trent, Sess. XIII, can. vi).”

That's rather like the Israelites saying they weren't worshiping the golden calf but the presence of God. That didn't work too well either.

38 posted on 08/19/2010 6:34:40 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: gorush

Check my response at 36. Although it’s to an entirely different matter, I think it hits on your question regarding “the existence of a Supreme Being”.


39 posted on 08/19/2010 6:36:21 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: wideawake
"Like cripplecreek I also wonder what the true motivation of those who post such nonsense is: clearly by using epithets like "Romanism" and making extravagantly offensive statements like calling the Holy Eucharist "disgusting" the goal is primarily to cause animosity."

Amen. What does anyone hope to accomplish stirring the pot, on both sides of this. Five years ago the FR religion board was the best place on the whole net but now it's turned into a balkanized "caucus only" wasteland. It's shame it has to be that way.

40 posted on 08/19/2010 6:37:23 PM PDT by circlecity
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