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Magazine: Growing Trend--Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism
TheSacredPage.com ^ | August 6, 2010 | Michael Barber

Posted on 08/07/2010 3:38:50 PM PDT by Salvation

Friday, August 06, 2010

Magazine: Growing Trend--Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism

The magazine Religion Dispatches has a new piece up by Jonathan Fitzgerald, entitled, "Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism: Under the radar of most observers a trend is emerging of evangelicals converting to Catholicism."


As he points out, there are an increasing number Evangelicals coming into the Catholic Church. In fact, while my wife and I were at Fuller we witnessed this phenomenon firsthand. Indeed, students would come up and ask us if they could follow us to daily Mass (which was celebrated at a Catholic Church down the street). I went to Mass with many fellow students who had never experienced a Eucharistic liturgy. . . and, for many of them, once they started attending they couldn't stop.

Here's the story as Fitzgerald reports it:
In the fall of 1999, I was a freshman at Gordon College, an evangelical liberal arts school in Massachusetts. There, fifteen years earlier, a professor named Thomas Howard resigned from the English department when he felt his beliefs were no longer in line with the college’s statement of faith. Despite all those intervening years, during my time at Gordon the specter of Thomas Howard loomed large on campus. The story of his resignation captured my imagination; it came about, ultimately, because he converted to Roman Catholicism.

Though his reasons for converting were unclear and perhaps unimaginable to me at the time (they are actually well-documented in his book Evangelical is Not Enough which, back then, I had not yet read), his reasons seemed less important than the knowledge that it could happen. I had never heard of such a thing. . .

. . . [M]y parents never spoke ill of the Catholic Church; though the pastors and congregants of our non-denominational, charismatic church-that-met-in-a-warehouse, often did. Despite my firsthand experience with the Church, between the legend of my parents’ conversion (anything that happens in a child’s life before he is born is the stuff of legends) and the portrait of the Catholic Church as an oppressive institution that took all the fun out of being “saved,” I understood Catholicism as a religion that a person leaves when she becomes serious about her faith.

And yet, Thomas Howard is only the tip of the iceberg of a hastening trend of evangelicals converting to Catholicism. North Park University professor of religious studies Scot McKnight documented some of the reasons behind this trend in his important 2002 essay entitled “From Wheaton to Rome: Why Evangelicals become Roman Catholic.” The essay was originally published in the Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society, and was later included in a collection of conversion stories he co-edited with Hauna Ondrey entitled Finding Faith, Losing Faith: Stories of Conversion and Apostasy.

Thomas Howard comes in at number five on McKnight’s list of significant conversions, behind former Presbyterian pastor and author of Rome Sweet Home, Scott Hahn, and Marcus Grodi founder of The Coming Home Network International, an organization that provides “fellowship, encouragement and support for Protestant pastors and laymen who are somewhere along the journey or have already been received into the Catholic Church,” according to their Web site. Other featured converts include singer-songwriter John Michael Talbot and Patrick Madrid, editor of the Surprised by Truth books, which showcase conversion stories.

Would Saint Augustine Go to a Southern Baptist Church in Houston?

McKnight first identified these converts eight years ago, and the trend has continued to grow in the intervening years. It shows up in a variety of places, in the musings of the late Michael Spencer (the “Internet Monk”) about his wife’s conversion and his decision not to follow, as well as at the Evangelical Theological Society where the former President and Baylor University professor Francis J. Beckwith made a well-documented “return to Rome.” Additionally, the conversion trend is once again picking up steam as the Millennial generation, the first to be born and raised in the contemporary brand of evangelicalism, comes of age. Though perhaps an unlikely setting, The King’s College, an evangelical Christian college in New York City, provides an excellent case study for the way this phenomenon is manifesting itself among young evangelicals.

The King’s College campus is comprised of two floors in the Empire State Building and some office space in a neighboring building on Fifth Avenue. The approximately 300 students who attend King’s are thoughtful, considerate and serious. They are also intellectually curious. This combination of traits, it turns out, makes the college a ripe breeding ground for interest in Roman Catholicism. Among the traits of the Catholic Church that attract TKC students—and indeed many young evangelicals at large—are its history, emphasis on liturgy, and tradition of intellectualism.

Lucas Croslow was one such student to whom these and other attributes of Catholicism appealed. This past spring, graduating from The King’s College was not the only major change in Croslow’s life, he was also confirmed into the Catholic Church.

Croslow’s interest in Catholicism began over six years ago when he was a sophomore in high school. At the time, Croslow’s Midwestern evangelical church experienced a crisis that is all too common among evangelical churches: what he describes as “a crisis of spiritual authority.” As a result of experiencing disappointment in his pastor, Croslow began to question everything he had learned from him. This questioning led him to study the historical origins of scripture and then of the Christian church itself. Eventually he concluded that Catholicism in its current form is the closest iteration of the early church fathers’ intentions. He asks, “If Saint Augustine showed up today, could we seriously think that he’d attend a Southern Baptist church in Houston?” The answer, to Croslow, is a resounding “No.”
 
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You can read the rest here.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholiclist; converts; evangelical; freformed
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To: Legatus

IT doesn’t matter what you want to call it. The believers will be gone..not dead, gone..


401 posted on 08/08/2010 1:24:27 PM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: Iscool

Some will take YOU KNOWING The Truth as prideful. Why? Because THEY don’t know it.

They aren’t ‘free’ but caught up in bad teaching, works, rules - legalism.


402 posted on 08/08/2010 1:25:08 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Iscool
Repent, Repent, Repent...That means turn to Jesus...No baptism is valid without turning to Jesus first...

At the time immediately following the Resurrection of Christ, the majority of individuals coming into the church were adults who could repent. However, these same individuals brought their children who were also baptized without a formal declaration of repentance.

Jesus baptizes with the Holy Ghost...NOT the Holy Ghost and water...Just the Holy Ghost as opposed to water...

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." - John 3:3-5

"Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days." - Acts 10:47-48

403 posted on 08/08/2010 1:28:16 PM PDT by NYer ("God dwells in our midst, in the Blessed Sacrament of the altar." St. Maximilian Kolbe)
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To: RnMomof7

“I think scripture tells us how we can know the saved..”

Do tell, what are those excerpts you rely upon?


404 posted on 08/08/2010 1:28:48 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: RnMomof7

Not a Catholic here, but...

...do you have a list of the elect and the non-elect?

Unless and until you get one, might wanna hold off on declaring who is saved or not. I’m sure there are elect Catholics and (gasp!) non-elect Calvinists.


405 posted on 08/08/2010 1:29:20 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: presently no screen name
Of course not -- that crown of thorns was reserved for our Lord. The pope is but a servant.

Isn't it, as our friend TheSitckMan says, a joy each time we receive Christ, have a personal relationship with Him in the Eucharist?

Marvellous! To have that fellowship with the Lord in His Church, the Apostolic and Catholic Church!
406 posted on 08/08/2010 1:32:22 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: RnMomof7; Salvation

That said, I do agree that numbers mean zilch, zero, nada. Numbers are just numbers. Even Catholics agree with that, when one points out the number of Catholics who veer from Vatican teachings. Suddenly, it’s all about the faithful “remnant.” Might be best that all “sides” stop presuming to take attendance. It’s all meaningless.


407 posted on 08/08/2010 1:32:26 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: narses; RnMomof7

Basically, if you’re on Mom’s ping list, you’re saved. :-)


408 posted on 08/08/2010 1:33:45 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Iscool; smvoice; Legatus
Oh, of course, the heresies that arise outside The Church will die out -- they don't last very long. like the heresies of Arianism, Montanism etc. -- they die out within 500 years. And the newer ones like the sub-sects that we see clubbed under the "evengelics" umbrella, seem to have lives shorter than a few years!

Hallelujah! All the heresies die out as they are not graced by the Holy Spirit

409 posted on 08/08/2010 1:36:32 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Cronos

Is there no end to what a Catholic will twist to misrepresent a non-Catholic saying?

I said Salvation was wrong in that it’s ONLY Catholics who protest and/or pray outside abortion clinics. I know non-Catholics who do and know of one pastor who went to jail for it.


410 posted on 08/08/2010 1:37:46 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: presently no screen name; Iscool
Some will take YOU KNOWING The Truth as prideful. Why? Because THEY don’t know it.

Yes, Iscool, being a Gnostic is special. Good on you. Though to both of you, I prefer being a believer in Christ in Christ's Church, the One Holy CAtholic and Apostolic Church.

Come to Christ! Come for mass (it's still Sunday!) and worship Christ in fullness of grace of the Holy Spirit
411 posted on 08/08/2010 1:39:55 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Larry Lucido
The One Billion Strong Little Flock.

That's what we are to believe.

412 posted on 08/08/2010 1:41:46 PM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: narses

It depends — the OPC has the color-graphic 14-page excerpted Bible called “Hit them Catlicks wiv dese excerpts and deny if they get back to you”, or the black and white graphic, 12page simple English version.


413 posted on 08/08/2010 1:42:32 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: RnMomof7; Salvation; the_conscience; smvoice; Quix; Gamecock; jboot; Alex Murphy; Dr. Eckleburg; ...
Oh, The God who, as you so quaintly put it "meets our idea" is the God who looks on us as His idea -- Christ. We come to Christ.

If you, however, wish to keep worshipping some other god in whichever group, Hinduism, Buddhism, Mormonism etc., that's your business.

But remember, you can still come to Christ and worship Christ in fullness in His Church, the One Catholic and Apostolic CHurch. hallelujah!
414 posted on 08/08/2010 1:46:34 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Cronos
You have no idea how wrong you are, in the right way.

I saw a chart similar to that one time. Wiley Coyote had a plan to snare the Roadrunner. Of course, Wiley ended up with the ACME anvil on his head, and Roadrunner got the birdseed.

415 posted on 08/08/2010 1:49:06 PM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: smvoice
IT doesn’t matter what you want to call it. The believers will be gone..not dead, gone..

Well I do believe I've just been hit with "don't confuse me with the facts". What you were supposed to say was something along the lines of "argh, touche'".

I hope for the death of heresies and the conversion of heretics, not the death of heretics and the conversion of heresies.

Anyhow, "But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."

Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

So are you looking to be taken or left behind?

416 posted on 08/08/2010 1:49:28 PM PDT by Legatus
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To: metmom

Good on that pastor — which denomination did he come from and does that denomination oppose all forms of birth control from contraceptives to abortion. The Church does.


417 posted on 08/08/2010 1:49:32 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: verga

No you are ignoring reality and remain hung up on personal tribal chauvinism and are ignoring the conservative political concerns that can end abortion and liberalism, it isn’t about Protestants being 100% conservative, or Catholics being 100% liberal. It is childish to play that kind of nonsense. To sound like a conservative political activist, then look at American politics and voters, and try to figure out how to break the Democratic party’s death grip on such a large and important voting block as the members of the Catholic church.

When a Catholic majority joins with the Protestant majority prolife conservatives always win, in every single case that it happens. If only 48% of Catholics had voted prolife Republican in 2000, joining the 56% of Protestants that voted Republican, then the race would have been clean and simple, not the near death experience that it was.

Disregarding the irreversible damage of the past that is too late to fix, imagine what the future of America would be like if the majority of Catholics started consistently voting prolife conservative, and the Democrats knew that they had permanently lost their Catholic base, things would change dramatically.

This is about what is wrong with Catholicism that leads the majority of his members to take away the message to vote as liberal, proabortion Democrats, on the flip side what is it about non-Catholic Christianity that leads the majority of them to vote as conservative, pro life Republicans?

How can we deal with these millions of new liberal Catholic democrat immigrants if we don’t know the answer to why Catholicism is making them liberals?

We know that no group can be 100%, but in the political world a solid majority would do.


418 posted on 08/08/2010 1:51:56 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: smvoice
oh, yes, like this one for the Prebyterians in the US



It is no wonder that Scot McKnight's "From Wheaton to Rome: Why Evangelicals Become Roman Catholic." as referenced in this article points out trends and patterns among those who have converted from Evangelicalism to Catholicism.

Most converts from Evangelicalism, according to this book experience "a desire for transcendance"

This desire for transcendence usually takes four forms:
(1) a desire for certainty;
(2) a desire for history;
(3) a desire for unity; and
(4) a desire for authority.

(1) Certainty This desire for full knowledge of truth spurs many converts to The Church to reject what they consider to be the "doctrinal mayhem" and "choose-your-own-church syndrome". They have a desire for knowledge that they believe is possible within Catholicism but not within Protestantism.

(2) History McKnight observes that many feel a "historical disenfranchisement" with Protestantism and want to be connected to the entire history of the Christian church and not just the period since the Reformation.

(3) Unity Most converts are disturbed by the divisions and countless denominations within Protestantism. McKnight quotes Peter Cram who
describes Protestantism as "one long, continuous line of protesters protesting against their fellow protesters, generating thousands of denominations, para-churches, and 'free churches,' which are simply one-church denominations."
Converts instead look to the unity of the Roman Catholic Church.

(4)Authority
Converts are disturbed by either 1. the lack of authority in the denominations or authority vested in a pastor with no real credentials (see David Koresh) besides charisma. And in both these cases there is no tie back, the group of the pastor dies with the pastor. They prefer the authority of Christ as vested by Him in His apostles.


One of the converts David Currie says
"I see my decision [to convert to RC] as a natural outgrowth of my Evangelical commitment."
or Stephen K Ray,
I "read' my way back to the Catholic Church. When I started reading books about what the church actually taught, I was forced to give up many mischaracterizations of her teachings. Indeed, I was struck by the sheer depths of the historical, and biblical arguments in favor of the Catholic faith.


This is a pretty impartial book in the sense that McKnight does not evaluate the validity or give his own opinion on which is better, he just notes down the reasons given, with none of his own opinion added, so it is interesting as a statistician's question WHY?

Of course, we can debate the validity of this, but the fact is that the split-split is a problem stated by ex-Evang's
419 posted on 08/08/2010 1:55:46 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Legatus
That describes the Second Coming of Christ, when one would want to be left. "He who endures to the end.." and all that.

The heresies and heretics remain during the Tribulation. Until they are destroyed, both, on Day of the Lord.

420 posted on 08/08/2010 1:58:46 PM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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