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Magazine: Growing Trend--Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism
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| August 6, 2010
| Michael Barber
Posted on 08/07/2010 3:38:50 PM PDT by Salvation
The magazine Religion Dispatches has a new piece up by Jonathan Fitzgerald, entitled, "Evangelicals Crossing the Tiber to Catholicism: Under the radar of most observers a trend is emerging of evangelicals converting to Catholicism."
As he points out, there are an increasing number Evangelicals coming into the Catholic Church. In fact, while my wife and I were at Fuller we witnessed this phenomenon firsthand. Indeed, students would come up and ask us if they could follow us to daily Mass (which was celebrated at a Catholic Church down the street). I went to Mass with many fellow students who had never experienced a Eucharistic liturgy. . . and, for many of them, once they started attending they couldn't stop.
Here's the story as Fitzgerald
reports it:
In the fall of 1999, I was a freshman at Gordon College, an evangelical liberal arts school in Massachusetts. There, fifteen years earlier, a professor named Thomas Howard resigned from the English department when he felt his beliefs were no longer in line with the colleges statement of faith. Despite all those intervening years, during my time at Gordon the specter of Thomas Howard loomed large on campus. The story of his resignation captured my imagination; it came about, ultimately, because he converted to Roman Catholicism. Though his reasons for converting were unclear and perhaps unimaginable to me at the time (they are actually well-documented in his book Evangelical is Not Enough which, back then, I had not yet read), his reasons seemed less important than the knowledge that it could happen. I had never heard of such a thing. . .
. . . [M]y parents never spoke ill of the Catholic Church; though the pastors and congregants of our non-denominational, charismatic church-that-met-in-a-warehouse, often did. Despite my firsthand experience with the Church, between the legend of my parents conversion (anything that happens in a childs life before he is born is the stuff of legends) and the portrait of the Catholic Church as an oppressive institution that took all the fun out of being saved, I understood Catholicism as a religion that a person leaves when she becomes serious about her faith.
And yet, Thomas Howard is only the tip of the iceberg of a hastening trend of evangelicals converting to Catholicism. North Park University professor of religious studies Scot McKnight documented some of the reasons behind this trend in his important 2002 essay entitled From Wheaton to Rome: Why Evangelicals become Roman Catholic. The essay was originally published in the Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society, and was later included in a collection of conversion stories he co-edited with Hauna Ondrey entitled Finding Faith, Losing Faith: Stories of Conversion and Apostasy.
Thomas Howard comes in at number five on McKnights list of significant conversions, behind former Presbyterian pastor and author of Rome Sweet Home, Scott Hahn, and Marcus Grodi founder of The Coming Home Network International, an organization that provides fellowship, encouragement and support for Protestant pastors and laymen who are somewhere along the journey or have already been received into the Catholic Church, according to their Web site. Other featured converts include singer-songwriter John Michael Talbot and Patrick Madrid, editor of the Surprised by Truth books, which showcase conversion stories.
Would Saint Augustine Go to a Southern Baptist Church in Houston?
McKnight first identified these converts eight years ago, and the trend has continued to grow in the intervening years. It shows up in a variety of places, in the musings of the late Michael Spencer (the Internet Monk) about his wifes conversion and his decision not to follow, as well as at the Evangelical Theological Society where the former President and Baylor University professor Francis J. Beckwith made a well-documented return to Rome. Additionally, the conversion trend is once again picking up steam as the Millennial generation, the first to be born and raised in the contemporary brand of evangelicalism, comes of age. Though perhaps an unlikely setting, The Kings College, an evangelical Christian college in New York City, provides an excellent case study for the way this phenomenon is manifesting itself among young evangelicals.
The Kings College campus is comprised of two floors in the Empire State Building and some office space in a neighboring building on Fifth Avenue. The approximately 300 students who attend Kings are thoughtful, considerate and serious. They are also intellectually curious. This combination of traits, it turns out, makes the college a ripe breeding ground for interest in Roman Catholicism. Among the traits of the Catholic Church that attract TKC studentsand indeed many young evangelicals at largeare its history, emphasis on liturgy, and tradition of intellectualism.
Lucas Croslow was one such student to whom these and other attributes of Catholicism appealed. This past spring, graduating from The Kings College was not the only major change in Croslows life, he was also confirmed into the Catholic Church.
Croslows interest in Catholicism began over six years ago when he was a sophomore in high school. At the time, Croslows Midwestern evangelical church experienced a crisis that is all too common among evangelical churches: what he describes as a crisis of spiritual authority. As a result of experiencing disappointment in his pastor, Croslow began to question everything he had learned from him. This questioning led him to study the historical origins of scripture and then of the Christian church itself. Eventually he concluded that Catholicism in its current form is the closest iteration of the early church fathers intentions. He asks, If Saint Augustine showed up today, could we seriously think that hed attend a Southern Baptist church in Houston? The answer, to Croslow, is a resounding No.
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You can read the rest
here.
TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholiclist; converts; evangelical; freformed
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To: Cronos; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; ..
What an
ABSURD
HILLARIOUS
(YET PATHETIC)
!FARCE!
OF AN
ASSERTION!
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.
.
Yet
. . .
a
VERY SLIGHTLY
clever
dodge
of
the
facts
re
the
farcical
charade
that
is
the
Vatican edifice.
1,081
posted on
08/10/2010 10:45:38 AM PDT
by
Quix
(C THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
To: Iscool
You don't really read posts, do you, As I said before in post #467 which you did not read:. Christ is the victor over death. We worship Christ who lived, died and rose from the dead for us. Here's the post for your edification once more
Christ died once and for all in space-time for our sins. This is Church teaching
Christs bloody sacrifice on Calvary took place once, and it will never be repeated. To repeat his sacrifice would be to imply that the original offering was defective or insufficient, like the animal sacrifices of the Old Testament that could never take away sins. Jesus offering was perfect, efficacious, and eternal.
Jesus is eternally a priest, and a priests very nature is to offer sacrifice. In the case of Christ, the eternal sacrifice that he offers is himself. This is why he appears in the book of Revelation as a lamb, standing as though he had been slain (Rev. 5:6). He appears in heaven in the state of a victim not because he still needs to suffer but because for all eternity he re-presents himself to God appealing to the work of the cross, interceding for us (Rom 8:34), and bringing the graces of Calvary to us.
The Mass is a participation in this one heavenly offering. The risen Christ becomes present on the altar and offers himself to God as a living sacrifice. Like the Mass, Christ words at the Last Supper are words of sacrifice, "This is my body . . . this is my blood . . . given up for you." So, the Mass is not repeating the murder of Jesus, but is taking part in what never ends: the offering of Christ to the Father for our sake (Heb 7:25, 9:24). After all, if Calvary didnt get the job done, then the Mass wont help. It is precisely because the death of Christ was sufficient that the Mass is celebrated. It does not add to or take away from the work of Christit is the work of Christ.
Isnt it glorious the Sacrifice is done, once and for all, the Eucharist is where we experience this once and for all time sacrifice. Its the Real Presence! Where you experience the personal relationship with Christ in the Eucharist! Beautiful isnt it, being in communion with the Lord in the Lords One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church?
1,082
posted on
08/10/2010 10:45:58 AM PDT
by
Cronos
(Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
To: Mad Dawg
I can't really accept any compliments for that post, all that is, is a compilation of better writer, commentors, authors and statisticians have done. I hope Iscool, Quix and the others read it, for they are all honorable men and women.
1,083
posted on
08/10/2010 10:47:54 AM PDT
by
Cronos
(Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
To: John Leland 1789; Quix
Doesn’t the Foursquare put it’s faith in Sister Aimee (thrice married, twice divorced)’s teachings?
1,084
posted on
08/10/2010 10:49:10 AM PDT
by
Cronos
(Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
To: Legatus
...if you are satisfied with the general Protestant witness here at FR then on the whole that fits in with my expectations because I think Protestantism is in grave error.I am not at all interested in what you think as long as you try to put pagan, man-made superstitions and rituals as equal to the God breathed words of Scripture...
You claim to represent Him as He threw us out of the temple and rebuked us. I say that the representation in question is disgraceful.
The proof's in the puddin'...All you got to do is look at your religion and then compare it with scripture...Your beef then is with Jesus...I didn't write the scripture, He did...
If the best that my Faith can offer is granting me the ability to call people names, misrepresent what people say and intend, mock, and above all never apologize when people misunderstand me or when I am actually wrong... then of what use is it to anyone? It is certainly of no use to Christ.
The shoe obviously fits, so wear it...
And then you go right on and post this:
I dont expect us to all get along, more than anything I want to see the Light of Christ shining through the Catholics, and Id like the Protestants to consider whether or not the Christ who shines through their own posts is worth following.
And this:
I really dont expect any of the Protestants who engage in this kind of thing to even so much as blink, but I expect much better of Catholics.
Who you trying to kid...Being condescending politely or stealthily is suppose to sneak by the radar screen???
1,085
posted on
08/10/2010 10:52:33 AM PDT
by
Iscool
(I don't understand all that I know...)
To: Cronos
Several years ago NPR and Public TV did an informative piece on her, Amiee Semple McPherson, and related how she started in Canada then to Topeka and on to L.A. They hinted that she really liked men but thankfully did not develop the theme.
1,086
posted on
08/10/2010 10:53:02 AM PDT
by
bronx2
(while Jesus is the Alpha /Omega He has given us rituals which you reject to obtain the graces as to)
To: Cronos; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; ..
What an
ABSURD
HILLARIOUS
(YET PATHETIC)
!FARCE!
OF AN
ASSERTION!
What else is new!
DEALING IN FALSEHOODS, AGAIN, I SEE!
I'm not Foursquare.
HOWEVER,
Jack Hayford et al
are top notch Christians
par excellance!
MAJESTY is but one
of the many wonderful
worship pieces he's penned.
And his teaching and books are very
VERY
ANOINTED.
Quite in contrast
to the
UNBIBLICAL
idolatrous, blasphemous, inaccurate, self-serving
refuse that flows out of
Vatican related presses.
1,087
posted on
08/10/2010 10:55:32 AM PDT
by
Quix
(C THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
To: Iscool; Legatus; Cronos
I am not at all interested in what you think
...yet you expect every Catholic here to be interested in what you think, and furthermore agree with you.
That's a nonstarter for any productive dialogue. With that attitude, there's nothing left but name-calling and recriminations.
1,088
posted on
08/10/2010 11:02:23 AM PDT
by
Deo volente
(God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
To: Quix
Funny the 30,000 number includes Gnostics, Mormons, JW's and other non trinitarian groups, who certainly do not practice Sola Scriptura. Truthfullness was never Rome's strong suit with all the well known forgeries they created (Decretals, Donation of Constantine, Liber Pontificalis, etc...
Yeah, I know. It must be strange for them that "30,000" so called denoms can protest Rome's un biblical dogmas with more or less the same identical arguments and doctrine!
To: Quix
Thank you so much for sharing those insights, dear brother in Christ!
To: bronx2
Using scripture for reproof and correction to eradicate your sinful ways is difficult but Jesus has given us the sacraments to impart the graces necessary to obtain eternal salvation.Jesus explains why that is difficult for you...
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
I realize this is one of your religions attack verses but just seeing that you guys don't even understand the verse indicates it is pointed right at you guys...
You claim the revelations given by the risen Christ to Paul carry no weight when compared to the revelations given to the other apostles...
But God has provided us with this comfort and admonition:
2Pe 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
Jesus did not impart graces thru sacraments for salvation...There you go again wresting the scripture to your own destruction...
Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Graces are not filtered to the Catholics thru following any sacraments...God's grace for salvation is given to ALL men, whether they be Protestants, heathen, atheists, and even Catholics that don't believe it...
So while that graces and sacraments thing may be part of your tradition, it contradicts God's word and belongs in the trash heap...
1,091
posted on
08/10/2010 11:10:13 AM PDT
by
Iscool
(I don't understand all that I know...)
To: bkaycee; Cronos
that "30,000" so called denoms can protest Rome's un biblical dogmas with more or less the same identical arguments and doctrine!
ROFL! That's one of the biggest whoppers I've ever read here!
"same identical arguments and doctrine"??!!
I think you need to take a closer look at that.
1,092
posted on
08/10/2010 11:10:26 AM PDT
by
Deo volente
(God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
To: Deo volente
I'm through with you. Too many lies and misrepresentations of what Catholics are saying here, and on other threads.I don't blame you for bowing out...You might want to do it a little more gracefully tho...
424 Moved by the grace of the Holy Spirit and drawn by the Father, we believe in Jesus and confess: You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.8 On the rock of this faith confessed by St. Peter, Christ built his Church. 9*
Now if your catechism has another section which contradicts this one, one that claims Peter is the rock (and Jesus is the stone), your problem lies with your catechsim and your religion...Not us...
Looks as tho you guys have some 'splainin' to do...But instead, you will just bow out and blame us for posting part of your catechism that you either didn't know was there, or didn't want us to find...
1,093
posted on
08/10/2010 11:20:57 AM PDT
by
Iscool
(I don't understand all that I know...)
To: Cronos
youre preaching to the choir. No I'm not, the Catholics here continue to deny that the majority of Catholic voters vote liberal and pro-abortion.
Therefore the discussion of how to get Catholics to vote like Protestants never gets off the ground.
1,094
posted on
08/10/2010 11:21:17 AM PDT
by
ansel12
(Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
To: Alamo-Girl
SURE.
BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD.
THX for your kind reply.
1,095
posted on
08/10/2010 11:27:49 AM PDT
by
Quix
(C THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
To: ansel12
This affirms your assertions, imho: The more political aspects such as re homosexuality are toward the end of this section.
FROM:
http://www.sacbee.com/2010/08/10/2948424/poll-young-hispanics-less-likely.html
THIS PARAGRAPH IS PARTICULARLY TELLING . . . AND SHOWS THE HOT AIR BLOWN BY SO MANY RABID RC'S ON FR ABOUT THE AVERAGE RC'S PRIORITY FOR GOD'S WORD TO BE JUST THAT--HOT AIR.
[Quixicated emphases below]:
Protestants are twice as likely to attend weekly services, according to the poll, also sponsored by The Nielsen Company and Stanford University. Many worship in evangelical or Pentecostal churches.
They tend to be more conservative than Catholics on matters of religious doctrine and social morality.
Seventy percent (70%) of Hispanic Protestants said the Bible is the actual word of God, to be taken literally, compared with 46 percent of Hispanic Catholics. Just 26 percent of Protestants said abortion should be mostly legal, compared with 41 percent of Catholics. And 59 percent of Protestants said same-sex couples should not be allowed to marry, compared with 29 percent of Catholics.
"What does it mean to be a Latino Catholic?" asked Robert P. Jones, founder of the Public Religion Research Institute, a Washington think tank. . . .
1,096
posted on
08/10/2010 11:30:15 AM PDT
by
Quix
(C THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
To: Deo volente
And all this time I've been trusting the Church, guided infallibly by the Holy Spirit as promised by Jesus Christ. I should have just popped open my Bible and saved myself a lot of trouble.There's lots of folks who believed the way you do...And they finally popped open their bibles which resulted in them leaving your religion...And they are still leaving your religion every day of the week...You might want to ask your self why...
1,097
posted on
08/10/2010 11:30:57 AM PDT
by
Iscool
(I don't understand all that I know...)
To: metmom
Non-Catholics are constantly being told that we dont really know what the RCC teaches, and yet when we post their own teachings from vatican.va, their official source for approved teachings of the Catholic church from the Vatican itself, its met with such derision?Apparently they don't read their catechism any more than we do...They just repeat the parts that they were 'told' were there...
You think if you read all that catechism, it'll convince you to become a Catholic (again)???
1,098
posted on
08/10/2010 11:35:04 AM PDT
by
Iscool
(I don't understand all that I know...)
To: Quix
one of our members received a prophetic insight from somone theyre in touch with currently asserting that Iran will attack Southern California within a few to several weeks.Not at all impossible...They've been practically begging us to attack them for some time now...That may get it started...
1,099
posted on
08/10/2010 11:37:50 AM PDT
by
Iscool
(I don't understand all that I know...)
To: Deo volente
Several non-Catholic posters have stated explicitly here that under no circumstances will they look at a Catholic link or source.Every one of your links is an encyclopedia sized document...You expect us to spend hours and days searching for a specific teaching when all you have to do is post the teaching...
You want us to know what your religion teaches, just tell us...Unless you don't know yourself...
1,100
posted on
08/10/2010 11:41:58 AM PDT
by
Iscool
(I don't understand all that I know...)
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