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To: GonzoII; kindred; Quix
And she is the Mother of God.

Lk 1: 43"And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? "

This highlights another problem with Catholicism - it's sloppy approach to theology.

Saying that Mary is the "mother of God" confuses the Persons of the Trinity, and comes dangerously close to a Sabellian-like heresy with regards to the Trinity.

16 posted on 07/25/2010 5:25:42 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (The success of Darwinism was accompanied by a decline in scientific integrity. - Dr. Wm R. Thompson)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Saying that Mary is the "mother of God" confuses the Persons of the Trinity, and comes dangerously close to a Sabellian-like heresy with regards to the Trinity.

How do you know that Sabellianism is heresy?

18 posted on 07/25/2010 5:31:57 AM PDT by don-o (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Learn a bit of theology, sir, before spouting off.

Denying that Mary is the Mother of God is the heresy of Nestorianism because it splits Jesus of Nazareth into two parts side-by-side but not sufficiently integrated: it makes Jesus schizoid.

If Jesus of Nazareth was God incarnate, Second Person of the Trinity by virtue of the union of two natures, then Mary, being the mother of this united, integrated person, then she was the Mother of God. Not by any virtue of her own but solely by the grace of God and by her faith in God’s annunciation to her that she would be the mother of the Savior.

Savior = God. To save us, Jesus had to be God. Right? Was Mary the mother of this Savior or was she not? That’s all the “Mother of God” (Theotokos) title means. That Jesus is a single, integrated, acting person, not suffering from multiple-personality disorder. That Mary was the Mother of this united, integrated Person, who was the Second Person of the Trinity united to a human nature.

It has NOTHING to do with Sabellianism. Only Nestorians claim it does.

You, Sir, are a closet-Nestorian.

That Mary is the Mother of God was affirmed at the Council of Ephesus in 431. All orthodox Christians since then have affirmed it. Luther, Wesley, John Stott and all Evangelical leaders who know anything about theology agree that Mary was the Mother of God.


30 posted on 07/25/2010 6:31:16 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

You wrote:

“Saying that Mary is the “mother of God” confuses the Persons of the Trinity...”

Nope. Catholics and Orthodox understand it just fine. It’s usually those in sects - those already starting out with bad theology - who don’t get it.


37 posted on 07/25/2010 7:04:42 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

THX THX.


46 posted on 07/25/2010 7:33:47 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Saying that Mary is the "mother of God" confuses the Persons of the Trinity

No, saying that she's not the Mother of God or the Theotokos ("God-bearer") denies the Divinity of Christ, or it denies the hypostatic union of the Divine and Human natures in one Divine Person.

72 posted on 07/25/2010 9:12:18 AM PDT by Campion
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Saying that Mary is the "mother of God" confuses the Persons of the Trinity, and comes dangerously close to a Sabellian-like heresy with regards to the Trinity.

And saying she isn't divides the person of Christ and comes dangerously close to adoptionism and some other Christological heresies.

Further to say that Jesus, the Son, is God may provide the same opportunity for Trinitarian heresy that any orthodox statement may provide.

Lilies that fester smell far worse than weeds, and we cannot, ought not, to compromise the expression of the truth for fear that someone may deviate from it into heresy.

73 posted on 07/25/2010 9:12:27 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (O Maria, sine labe concepta, ora pro nobis qui ad te confugimus.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

How exactly does that become Sabellian, the nontrinitarian belief that the Heavenly Father, Resurrected Son and Holy Spirit are different modes or aspects of one God, as perceived by the believer, rather than three distinct persons in God Himself.?


341 posted on 08/17/2010 2:04:41 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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