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To: GonzoII

[“We were trained to evangelise Catholics – we believed you are not saved, that you are going to hell as you follow the Pope instead of Jesus, you pray to Mary instead of God, you have tradition instead of Scripture, you thought you got saved by doing good works instead of by faith in Jesus,” he told about 60 people on Thursday, 8 July, at Trinity College, East Perth.]

Mary was not crucified for our sins, died and buried and risen from the grave on the third day for our salvation and she was not the mother of God, she was the mother of the body of Jesus, a virgin, and was the handmaiden of the Lord but a sinner saved by grace through faith in the God of Israel. And the popes office was created by the church at Babylon(Rome), a religious order that persecuted Jews and Bible believing Christians throuhout the centuries and is in fact the largest cult group that God will destroy during the 7 year tribulation with all false religious groups.
First,all religions can believe but they will but those who do not believe the gospel of salvation as stated clearly in I Corinthians 15: 1-4 are not saved no matter what they belive or do if they do not believe this particular gospel of the Father concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour. They have a legal right in America to believe as they will but the gospel is clear and cult religions including Roman Catholicism is not the gospel of the Scriputure. I was never trained to evangelize Christians by the Body of Christ, I was instructed by the Scriptures to preach the salvation gospel of Jesus Christ to all the world baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. The gospel of salvation is;

1 Corinthians 15
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

This must be accepted by grace through faith without works as good works are vain for savation without faith in God’s Word in the Scriptures.

Ephesians 2:
4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
11Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

And Catholics do beleive they are saved by good works and not just fatih alone and therefore they can not be saved if they trust themselves or Mary or the pope or whatsoever they believe. There is a lot of mysticism and fables and secret knowledge in their church and they worship Mary and the saints and angels, all condemned by God’s Word.
The truth will set you free.


11 posted on 07/25/2010 5:04:37 AM PDT by kindred (Come, Lord Jesus, rule and reign over all thine enemies from Zion, the chosen nation.)
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To: kindred
"Mary was not crucified for our sins"

Who said she was. Source? She indeed suffered with Christ beneath the cross.

And she is the Mother of God.

Lk 1: 43"And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? "

14 posted on 07/25/2010 5:17:07 AM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: kindred
There are also a few other outstanding matters:There are conservative British that are highly concerned about what they regard as the Vatican's "attack" on the Anglican Church, which they see as an attack on Britain's identity, too. Notice that this goes hand in hand with the attacks by the EU on the sovereignty of its member states, all save Germany.
25 posted on 07/25/2010 5:57:41 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: kindred

Was Peter not granted the keys to the gates of heaven? God entrust prophets and saints with his power in various ways and to ask for intervention by saints / prophets is not going to stop anyone from going to heaven.

Note did not Abraham challenge God and ask for the lives of others and win Gods grace for some?

How many times did Moses ask for forgiveness for the Israelite’s?

I say to you asking for intersection and worshiping are two totally different things you do not seam to understand. worshiping is faith in a God intersection is asking for ones help in asking God for help.


39 posted on 07/25/2010 7:13:32 AM PDT by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Constitution)
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To: kindred
I'll ask Mary to pray for you. ≈

It usually ain't a very wise move to diss the King's mom. :-)

Cheers!

57 posted on 07/25/2010 8:22:12 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: kindred
The truth will set you free.

And, as a subset of the truth, when you stop believing the lies about the Catholic Church, you may be surprised at the freedom even that small bit of the Truth provides,

70 posted on 07/25/2010 9:09:25 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (O Maria, sine labe concepta, ora pro nobis qui ad te confugimus.)
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To: kindred

We Catholics do NOT worship anyone but God. We ask Mary and the saints for their intercession with God. There’s a BIG difference. The Hail Mary prayer ends with the words, “Holy Mary, mother of God, PRAY FOR US, NOW AND AT THE HOUR OF OUR DEATH. Amen.”

We have statues of saints only to remind us of those who have gone before us in the love of Jesus, son on God, and their good works. Again, we ask them for intercession with God.


93 posted on 07/25/2010 10:37:59 AM PDT by kitkat (OBAMA hates us. Well, maybe a LOT of Kenyans do.)
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To: kindred
she was not the mother of God, she was the mother of the body of Jesus, a virgin, and was the handmaiden of the Lord

Luk 1:43 "And how has it happened to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

Do you have this verse in your Bible?

You do know that the Lord is God?. And that by giving birth to the second person of the Trinity, she is indeed the mother of God the Son?

105 posted on 07/25/2010 11:18:44 AM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: kindred
And Catholics do beleive they are saved by good works and not just fatih alone and therefore they can not be saved if they trust themselves or Mary or the pope or whatsoever they believe. There is a lot of mysticism and fables and secret knowledge in their church and they worship Mary and the saints and angels, all condemned by God’s Word. The truth will set you free.

Yes, the truth will set you free. It's a shame that as far as Catholicism is concerned, you are as far away from the truth as can be. My goodness, what a set of whoppers you believe in! Maybe you can educate yourself on the truth - if you dare: Catholic.com - Anti-Catholicism tracts.

250 posted on 07/26/2010 6:50:42 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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