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trying to find a church (NYC)
self | June 24, 2010 | self

Posted on 06/24/2010 8:48:39 PM PDT by franksolich

I am doing some family research, undertaken with some urgency, and am trying to find the church in which my parents were married.

According to the certificate of marriage issued by the church itself, it is "Church of Our Lady of the Scapular of Mt. Carmel, New York City."

I used google, and came up with a lot of information about scapulars and Mt. Carmel and religious orders, but haven't found specifically this church.

The "yellow pages" don't show anything, or if they do, I'm missing it.

Does anyone know if this particular church still exists?


TOPICS: Ecumenism; History; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: catholic; church; scapular
Thank you in advance for your information; I really would like to find this church.
1 posted on 06/24/2010 8:48:45 PM PDT by franksolich
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To: NYer

Ping


2 posted on 06/24/2010 8:50:20 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: franksolich

Contact the Archdiocese of New York City in Manhattan.


3 posted on 06/24/2010 8:50:43 PM PDT by Publius (Unless the Constitution is followed, it is simply a piece of paper.)
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To: franksolich

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Our_Lady_of_the_Scapular_of_Mount_Carmel_(New_York_City)

Is that it?


4 posted on 06/24/2010 8:51:20 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: vladimir998

Whoa.

That was quick.

I thank you.

Yes, that’s it, apparently.

The certificate of marriage didn’t have any street address, but given it’s unlikely there would have been more than one church in New York City with that name, this must be it.

Again, I thank you.


5 posted on 06/24/2010 8:55:04 PM PDT by franksolich (Scourge of the Primitives, in service to humanity)
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To: franksolich

I am originally from New Jersey. Every July my Grandmother and our Church would make a pilgrimage to Our Lady of Mt.Carmel Church which I believe was in Brooklyn, NY. We are of Italian descent. Our Lady of Mt Carmel was very important to my Grandnother. I went with them when I was very young, and I remember going to Coney Island afterward. I’m pretty sure it is in Brooklyn, not NYC. Hope it helps.


6 posted on 06/24/2010 8:55:46 PM PDT by Yankereb
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To: franksolich

From another site:

CHURCH OF OUR LADY of the SCAPULAR of MT. CARMEL, 339 East 28th Street, New York, NY 10016. (Carmelite Church, East 28th Street, New York, NY)
New Address: Parish of Our Lady of the Scapular and St. Stephen, 142 E. 29th St., New York, NY 10016

Gotta work on those Google skills :)


7 posted on 06/24/2010 8:59:09 PM PDT by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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To: franksolich
The church's website is here. New name.
8 posted on 06/24/2010 9:00:04 PM PDT by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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To: Yankereb
I am originally from New Jersey. Every July my Grandmother and our Church would make a pilgrimage to Our Lady of Mt.Carmel Church which I believe was in Brooklyn, NY. We are of Italian descent. Our Lady of Mt Carmel was very important to my Grandnother. I went with them when I was very young, and I remember going to Coney Island afterward. I’m pretty sure it is in Brooklyn, not NYC. Hope it helps.

Oops.

Now it gets murkier.

The first one is listed as having been in Manhattan.

However, the parents lived in Brooklyn, and it perhaps makes sense they got married in Brooklyn.

So there was, or is, perhaps a second one in New York City?

9 posted on 06/24/2010 9:01:50 PM PDT by franksolich (Scourge of the Primitives, in service to humanity)
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To: franksolich

Not to pick on you, but all I did was use google. I literally highlighted the name of the parish you were asking about, put it in google search and. . . voilà. . . there it was.

The internet is amazing!


10 posted on 06/24/2010 9:11:26 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: vladimir998
Not to pick on you, but all I did was use google. I literally highlighted the name of the parish you were asking about, put it in google search and. . . voilà. . . there it was.

Unfortunately, that's not what I got; as mentioned before, I googled, and got pages and pages and pages.....and pages.....of sites about scapulars, Mt. Carmel, and the Carmelite religious orders.

Excresence happens.

One time I wanted to find the distance between a certain address in Elgin, Illinois, and the (ancient) Illinois state penitentiary in Joliet.....and ended up reading (it was rather interesting anyway) about Scottish land laws of the 1600s.

I dunno if anybody else has noticed this, but searches on the internet can at times be very volatile. I find I get results other people don't, the problem being I oftentimes don't get specifically what I'm looking for.

But I thank you.

11 posted on 06/24/2010 9:21:02 PM PDT by franksolich (Scourge of the Primitives, in service to humanity)
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To: franksolich
I just looked for Catholic Mass Times in New York City and got this.

You might find it there too.

12 posted on 06/24/2010 9:30:04 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: franksolich
Another place to look is the list of Dioceses of the State of New York from the USCCB website

Here are lists of bishops, websites, etc.

New York

Diocese of Albany
Most Reverend Howard J. Hubbard

Bishop of Albany
40 North Main Avenue
Albany, NY 12203

 

 

Eparchy of Our Lady of Nareg in New York for Armenian Catholics
Most Reverend Manuel Batakian

Eparch of Eparchy of Our Lady of Nareg in New York
167 North 6th Street
Brooklyn, NY 11211

 

Diocese of Brooklyn
Most Reverend Nicholas DiMarzio

Bishop of Brooklyn
310 Prospect Park West
Brooklyn, New York, 11215

 

Most Reverend Frank J. Caggiano
Auxiliary Bishop of Brooklyn

Most Reverend Ignatius A. Catanello
Auxiliary Bishop of Brooklyn  

Most Reverend Octavio Cisneros
Holy Child Jesus
111-11 86th Avenue
Richmond Hill, NY 11418

Most Reverend Guy Sansaricq
Auxiliary Bishop of Brooklyn

Most Reverend Thomas V. Daily
Bishop Emeritus of Brooklyn

Most Reverend Joseph Sullivan
Auxiliary Bishop Emeritus of Brooklyn

Most Reverend Rene A. Valero
Auxiliary Bishop Emeritus of Brooklyn

Diocese of Buffalo
Most Reverend Edward U. Kmiec

Bishop of Buffalo
795 Main Street
Buffalo, NY 14203

 

Most Reverend Edward M. Grosz
Auxiliary Bishop of Buffalo

 

Most Reverend Bernard J. McLaughlin
Auxiliary Bishop Emeritus of Buffalo

Lithuanian Catholics outside Lithuania

Monsignor Edmundas Putrimas
Diocesan Administrator of Lithuanian Catholics outside Lithuania

64-14 Clinton Avenue
Maspeth NY 11378-2418

 

Most Reverend Paulius A. Baltakis, OFM
Bishop Emeritus  of Lithuanian Catholics outside Lithuania

Archdiocese of New York
Most Reverend Timothy M. Dolan

Archbishop of New York
1011 First Avenue
New York, NY 10022

 

Most Reverend Josu Iriondo
Auxiliary Bishop of New York

Most Reverend Dominick J. Lagonegro
Auxiliary Bishop of New York

Most Reverend Dennis J. Sullivan
Auxiliary Bishop of New York

 

Most Reverend Gerald T. Walsh
Auxiliary Bishop of New York

His Eminence Edward Cardinal Egan
Archbishop Emeritus of New York

Most Reverend Patrick V. Ahern
Auxiliary Bishop Emeritus of New York

Most Reverend Robert A. Brucato
Auxiliary Bishop Emeritus of New York

Most Reverend James F. McCarthy
Auxiliary Bishop Emeritus of New York

Most Reverend William J. McCormack
Auxiliary Bishop Emeritus of New York

Most Reverend Anthony F. Mestice
Auxiliary Bishop Emeritus of New York

Most Reverend Patrick J. Sheridan
Auxiliary Bishop Emeritus of New York

Diocese of Ogdensburg
Reverend Terry R. LaValley
Bishop of Ogdensburg
P.O. Box 369
Ogdensburg, New York 13669

Diocese of Rochester
Most Reverend Matthew H. Clark

Bishop of Rochester
The Pastoral Center
1150 Buffalo Road
Rochester, NY 14624

 

Diocese of Rockville Centre
Most Reverend William F. Murphy

Bishop of Rockville Center
P.O. Box 9023
Rockville Centre, NY 11570

 

Most Reverend John C. Dunne, DD

Auxiliary Bishop of Rockville Centre

Most Reverend Peter A. Libasci
Auxiliary Bishop of Rockville Centre

Most Reverend Paul H. Walsh
Auxiliary Bishop of Rockville Center

Most Reverend James J. Daly
Auxiliary Bishop Emeritus of Rockville Centre

Most Reverend Emil A. Wcela, D.D.
Auxiliary Bishop Emeritus of Rockville Centre

Eparchy of St. Marion of Brooklyn for Maronites
Most Reverend Gregory J. Mansour

Bishop of Eparchy of St. Maron of Brooklyn for Maronites
109 Remsen Street
Brooklyn, NY 11201

 

Most Reverend Stephen Hector Doueihi
Bishop Emeritus of Eparchy of St. Marion of Brooklyn for Maronites

Most Reverend Francis M. Zayek
Eparch Emeritus of St. Marion of Brooklyn for Maronites

Diocese of Syracuse
Most Reverend Robert J. Cunningham

Bishop of Syracuse
P.O. Box 511
Syracuse, NY 13201-0511

 

Most Reverend James M. Moynihan
Bishop Emeritus of Syracuse

Most Reverend Thomas J. Costello
Auxiliary Bishop Emeritus of Syracuse


13 posted on 06/24/2010 9:36:21 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: franksolich

You may or may not know this, but if you do a search that includes a “+” in your search, then the search becomes more focused and you get a more targeted result. It can help with your next searches ;-)

Here’s an example for this one you were looking for: Church of Our Lady of the Scapular of Mt. Carmel+New York City -—See how the “+” sign is used? With this one the Wikipedia result comes up 1st. It helps many many times when searching. Good luck next time.


14 posted on 06/24/2010 10:09:26 PM PDT by waldenMP
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To: franksolich
I find I get results other people don't, the problem being I oftentimes don't get specifically what I'm looking for.

It could be your magnetic aura. You should apply for a research grant to study this phenomenon!

15 posted on 06/25/2010 3:41:03 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Anoreth, alma de Espana y diosa guerrera. Cuidados!)
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To: xjcsa; franksolich; Salvation
A bit late to this thread but "kudos" to xicsa for the research! From the web site:


Parish of Our Lady of the Scapular

Fr. James McMahon, a New York priest, offered to endow for the Carmelites of Ireland a church and monastery in Manhattan’s upper west side (Seventy-seventh Street and Columbus Avenue).  Fr. McMahon had been left a small legacy which he had increased to a substantial sum through financial activity, mainly in real estate foreclosures.  Within a few weeks of their arrival, the Carmelites were able to secure a temporary site for services at Twenty-ninth Street and First Avenue. The first Masses were on Palm Sunday, April 14, 1889.  Fr. Michael Daly the first pastor, held that post until 1894 when he resigned from the position and Fr. Edward Southwell was appointed pastor.

Archbishop Corrigan came to dedicate the church on December 22, 1889. In 1891, a hall was constructed, which was used for Sunday school, meetings, annual fairs, a gymnasium and later as a youth center.

In 1904 Father Southwell purchased land on Twenty-ninth Street for $45,000 just a few doors west of the priory for the site of the parish school. The cornerstone was blessed in November 1904 and the school was dedicated in September, 1905.  Father Southwell returned to Ireland in 1906 and Fr. Louis McCabe succeeded him as pastor. 

During the pastorate of Fr. Vincent Smyth, a priory was constructed in 1928 on Twenty-eighth Street adjoining the church.

The parish boundaries included Bellevue Hospital, the largest hospital in the city, where the Carmelites took over the duty of chaplains from the priests at St. Stephen’s Church. The Carmelites maintained their hospital apostolate at Bellevue for the next 118 years, winning widespread praise for their ministry to sick and indigent New Yorkers.

The pastorate of Fr. Sean Reid (1943 – 1964) was the longest in the history of the parish.

The church’s centennial was a year long celebration that began on April 1, 1989 with Mass at Our Lady of the Scapular.
John Cardinal O’Connor was the main concelebrant and homilist.

Between the opening Mass of the centennial and the closing Mass, the parish of Our Lady of the Scapular was joined to that of St. Stephen’s.  The following priests have served as pastors of Our Lady of the Scapular Parish:















Rev. Michael Daly 
Rev. Edward Southwell 
Rev. Louis McCabe, Prior 
Rev. Paul O’Dwyer, Prior
Rev. Denis O’Connor, Prior   

Rev. Gerard O’Farrell 
Rev. Dionysis L. Flanagan
Rev. Philip McGouran
Rev. Vincent Smyth
Rev. Elias Holland
Rev. Stephen McGleenan
Rev. Kevin Flanagan
Rev. Sean Reid
Rev. Thomas McGinnis
Rev. Christopher Byrnes
Rev. Edmund McCaffrey
Rev. Paul Feeley

Rev. Vincent McDonald
Rev. Romaeus Cooney
Rev. Gerald McGovern
Rev. Robert D. Tracy

1889 – 1894
1894 – 1906
1906 – 1909
1909 – 1913
1916 – 1919
1919 – 1924
1924 – 1926
1926 – 1928
1928 – 1934
1934 – 1937
1937 – 1940
1940 – 1943
1943 – 1964
1964 – 1967
1967 – 1970
1970 – 1973
1973 – 1979
1979 – 1982
1982 – 1986
1986 – 1988
1988 – 1990


And thank you to Salvation for posting every archdiocese, diocese and eparchy in the State of New York!

16 posted on 06/25/2010 6:11:54 AM PDT by NYer ("God dwells in our midst, in the Blessed Sacrament of the altar." St. Maximilian Kolbe)
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To: NYer

Thank you!


17 posted on 06/25/2010 7:35:42 AM PDT by franksolich (Scourge of the Primitives, in service to humanity)
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To: franksolich

You’re welcome. I can appreciate the frustration. Several years ago, I tried to track down my Baptismal certificate. No one could remember in which church I had been baptized. It took a while but I eventually located it :-).


18 posted on 06/25/2010 1:58:18 PM PDT by NYer ("God dwells in our midst, in the Blessed Sacrament of the altar." St. Maximilian Kolbe)
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