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I was upset with a substitute priest at Mass

Posted on 05/30/2010 10:12:21 AM PDT by Sun

When my husband and I went to Mass last evening, unfortunately our parish priest was ill, so a guest priest said Mass.

When he read the Gospel, he changed He to she. Later the substitute priest said we really don't know if the Holy Spirit is a he or a she.

Later he said, wouldn't the altar girl make a good priest some day, even though the Vatican said women priests is a closed issue. It won't happen.

There were a few other things, but those were the things that bothered me the most.

Here is the gospel, where he changed He to she:

"Jesus said to his disciples: "I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now. But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to all truth. He will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will declare to you the things that are coming. He will glorify me, because he will take from what is mine and declare it to you. Everything that the Father has is mine; for this reason I told you that he will take from what is mine and declare it to you."


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To: Notwithstanding

Pope Benedict XVI’s email address: benedictxvi@vatican.va

Pope Benedict’s private secretary:

Monsignor Georg Gaenswien (with omlats over the ‘a’)
Private Secretary to the Holy Father
00120 Via del Pellegrino
Citta del Vaticano

If you wish to correspond directly with the Holy Father and not have it intercepted by the ‘dark side of the force’ at the Vatican, simply send a sealed letter addressed to Benedict XVI to Monsignor Georg Gaenswein.

Monsignor will give your letter to the Pope unopened.


81 posted on 05/30/2010 11:31:27 AM PDT by bigoil
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To: Sun
Cardinal O'Connor had some serious problems with Clinton. I recall that the Clinton Administration actually had the FBI look into O'Connor's background trying to pin some anti abortion violence on him.

I'll see if I can find a link for you.

Then after TWA 800 went down, Clinton was going to rush to the airport to comfort the families. Cardianl O Connor got in touch with his office and told him, if Clinton showed up he would leave. Clinton didn't call O'Connors bluff.

In 1994, Clinton administration Attorney General Janet Reno launched infiltrators, wiretaps, mail monitoring, and a wide range of other spying activities in a massive coordinated effort that included the FBI; the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms; U.S. Postal inspectors; the U.S. Marshalls Service; and other Federal and local law enforcement agencies. President Bill Clinton had acted decisively to fight what he and First Lady Hillary Clinton deemed the most dangerous terrorist threat facing America: conservative Christians.

This huge Clinton surveillance scheme was VAAPCON, the Violence Against Abortion Providers Task Force. According to the U.S. Justice Department, VAAPCON “was charged with determining whether there was a nationwide conspiracy to commit acts of violence against reproductive health care providers.” The more than 900 targets of all this surveillance included the Christian Coalition, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Women’s Coalition for Life, Feminists for Life, Americans United for Life, the 600,000-member Concerned Women for America, the National Rifle Association, the American Life League, the National Conference of Catholic Bishops, and even then-Roman Catholic Cardinal of New York John O’Connor.

82 posted on 05/30/2010 11:33:51 AM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free, Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: MozarkDawg
I will add to your explanation the grammar rules that have been so destroyed by this feminist/PC garbage that when it comes to the English language. If the antecedent is ambiguous or gender-neutral, one is to use the masculine pronoun, ie., he. Not they, that is plural. Women are not being left out of the equation because the sentence is properly written, "Everyone must get his book from the shelf," and not "Everyone must get her book," -- don't get me started on the constant misuse of they/their to get around the rule.

Please understand that I agree with you completely, but I think that there is no rolling back the clock on what is happening with our language. Too many women are just plain offended by the use of he, him, and his, and most academic institutions emphasize the need for gender neutrality - even the seminary (non-denom., rather conservative) where I am taking doctoral classes. I wish that we would just cave and use the they/their, understanding that it is in response to the need of some for gender neutrality. I really hate writing he/she and alternating between he and she is just plain irritating.

83 posted on 05/30/2010 11:33:57 AM PDT by aberaussie
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To: Running On Empty

Oh, they have an agenda alright. It isn’t a witness to Christ, however. No one who wants to witness to Christ would just make things up, for instance.

Anti-Catholic Protestants are a strange group. I have met and encountered plenty of such people and they often seem like regular folks in every way - until the Catholic Church comes up. In an instant they change from normal people to hate-spewing, lying, conspiracy-theory-spreading, ignorant, bitter, mean spirited wackos. No distortion of Catholic doctrine is thought to be too much, no twisting of history is thought to be too wrong for them to do it and throw it out there as if it were all true. You can catch them lying, it won’t matter. You can prove that what they’re claiming is impossible - it’s just absolutely untrue - and it still won’t matter. They don’t care about the truth when it comes to the Catholic Church.


84 posted on 05/30/2010 11:37:28 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: Sun

Actually there is at least one Catholic priest here but I do not feel at liberty to say who they are without their permission.


85 posted on 05/30/2010 11:37:58 AM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free, Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: mware

...and several seminarians.


86 posted on 05/30/2010 11:38:53 AM PDT by Palladin (Commodore Obama: "Damn the Constitution. Full speed ahead!")
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To: Sun

I would have called “LIAR” and walked out on the spot.


87 posted on 05/30/2010 11:39:02 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: heartwood
A "metaphor", huh? So all twelve disciples (plus Paul) went off preaching for years, walking and sailing thousands of miles, meeting horrifying deaths for refusing to recant, for a "metaphor". Right.

Makes you wonder what they're teaching in seminary and why such priests and pastors bother to even show up.

88 posted on 05/30/2010 11:50:26 AM PDT by katana (Part Neanderthal, and proud of it!)
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89 posted on 05/30/2010 11:52:25 AM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: Sun

$10 says he is gay


90 posted on 05/30/2010 11:52:37 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: MozarkDawg

Right, plus the masculine can have a universalist, all-inclusive connotation - “his” meaning “everyone’s” - while the feminine is always female-specific and cannot include the male.


91 posted on 05/30/2010 12:04:03 PM PDT by Argus
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To: Sun

Tell me why the faithful shouldn’t rise up out of the pews, lay hands on a priest like that, drag him outside, and throw him in the gutter.

Vewwy woughly.

I mean, really—a few hundred years ago, he’d have been burnt at the stake. What is expulsion, compared to that?


92 posted on 05/30/2010 12:11:28 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: mware

“I do not feel at liberty to say who they are without their permission.”

I do not feel at liberty to say who he is without his permission.


93 posted on 05/30/2010 12:14:06 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Argus
The Gospel reading for today is John 16.12-15.

In Greek, the word for "Spirit" is neuter (to pneuma), but there are three pronouns in the Greek text referring back to the Spirit, all of them masculine--ekeinos twice and heautou once. The feminine forms have different endings.

94 posted on 05/30/2010 12:15:10 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Dutchboy88

“The church staunchly proclaims its infallibility, inerrancy, and superiority to all groups worldwide.”

In what universe is this so? Certainly not this one.

“You really must check its press and the postings of the other Catholics here at FR.”

Two sources with which you are clearly unfamiliar.

“still need to toe the party line.”

Thank goodness you didn’t write “tow the party line.” That drives me up the wall.

“this is one ordained by headquarters, not you.”

An organization that is working to clear out its rogues is not truthfully accused of endorsing the abuses of said scoundrels.

“to once again openly crucify the Son of Glory”

That resembles Catholic theology in no way.

“this piece of darkness is one of those you must defend or you become the judge of the judges. Which is it?”

That is a false dichotomy. Every Catholic is free to—no, has a duty to—oppose the heresy and abuses of this bad, bad man, whose heart is clearly as black as the Earl of Hell’s weskit.


95 posted on 05/30/2010 12:21:51 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: vladimir998

I know.

I have experienced it first hand—especially when I became a convert to the Catholic Church but also in my work environment and by Fred Phelps-type demonstrations from time-to-time outside of my parish church on Sundays.

And especially in the time since I have been on this forum I have experienced it anew.

I am referring specifically to anti-Catholic Protestants. Not all Protestants are anti-Catholic, at least not openly or in the safety zone behind screen names in public forums.


96 posted on 05/30/2010 12:27:31 PM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: Argus

BTW, what is “inflected language?”


97 posted on 05/30/2010 12:28:06 PM PDT by Biggirl (I Have A New Rainbow Bridge Baby, Negritia! =^..^=)
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To: MozarkDawg

“I will add to your explanation the grammar rules that have been so destroyed by this feminist/PC garbage that when it comes to the English language. If the antecedent is ambiguous or gender-neutral, one is to use the masculine pronoun, ie., he.”

Absolutely correct.

However, God is masculine. He is the Father, not the mother.


98 posted on 05/30/2010 12:31:17 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Dutchboy88
giving some wafer & wine to once again openly crucify the Son of Glory

Perhaps you think you're infallibly saved no matter how often you violate the commandment ,"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor," but I'm still going to call you on it every time you do it.

Jesus is not "re-crucified" in the Mass. Not according to Catholic doctrine, at least, though perhaps according to the lies John Calvin told about Catholic doctrine.

99 posted on 05/30/2010 12:39:00 PM PDT by Campion
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Thouht I would share this video of my old priest has he dedicated a baptised child to Our Blessed Mother.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JioaV87T3fE&feature=related

100 posted on 05/30/2010 12:41:57 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free, Free Republic.com baby.)
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