Posted on 05/25/2010 7:01:09 PM PDT by wheathead
I'm looking for fellow Catholics that have any knowledge of the Bayside Apparitions/Veronica Lueken. The following is an excerpt from the website.
(Excerpt) Read more at tldm.org ...
"Therefore, I warn you now as your God: You will stop your intricacies within My Church. You will stop experimenting. I gave you the rules to follow many years ago, two thousand years approximately. And why now, two thousand years later, do you deem it necessary to change My Church upon earth? I, your God, say to you, you will be judged accordingly. You will return My Church to its former glory, and in that manner you will have more vocations and more entering the seminaries, and not fleeing from them as they hear the heresies and all other innovations that are going on within My Church. This is My last and final word to My clergy: Change now or suffer a just punishment and banishment." - Jesus, June 18, 1986
Several years ago I came across a shocking report titled “Official Guidelines to Inaugurate the Golden Age of Blessed Peace from the Office for Antichrist!!! It was issued by the infamous Masonic P2 Lodge in Italy just prior to Vatican II. Here is how it reads:
Effective March 1962. (The Aggiormento of Vatican II). All warlocks (officers) shall report on the progress of these critical directives! Pope John XXIII will accept them easily!
1. Remove St. Michael, the protector of the Catholic Church, from every prayer whether inside or outside of the Mass, once and for all. Remove all of his statues. Say that it detracts from Christ.
2. Put a stop to practice of penance during Lent, such as eating no meat on Fridays, or fasting. Halt any acts of self-denial. Replace by acts of joy, happiness and love of neighbor. Say that Christ already won heaven for us, and that the efforts of humans are to no avail.
3. Assign Protestant Ministers to revise and desacredize the Mass. Instigate doubts that the Eucharist is closer to the Protestants belief that it is only bread and symbolic.
4. Stop all Latin in Mass Liturgy, and devotions and songs. It lends a feeling of mystery and respect. Show it up as mumbo jumbo of soothsayers. People will then stop thinking that Priests are of superior intelligence.
5. Encourage the ladies to remove their hats in Church; hair is sexy. And demand to be Acolytes and Priestesses. Base it on the Constitution. Start a women’s liberation.
6. Stop Communicants from kneeling to receive the Host. Tell Nuns to stop the children from folding their hands to and from Communion. Tell them that God loves them as they are, and wants them to be perfectly relaxed.
7. Stop sacred organ music. Bring in Guitars, Jews Harps, Drums, and stomping of the feet. This will prevent any personal prayer or conversation with Jesus. Don’t give Jesus time to call children to religious vocations.
8. Profane hymns to the Mother of God, St. Joseph. Call it idolatry. Replace with Protestant songs. This will imply that the Catholic Church is finally admitting that Protestantism is the true religion, or at least equal to the Catholic Church.
9. Replace all hymns, even to Jesus. This reminds people of their sweet childhood, which will in turn remind them of the peace that came from living a rigorous life of self-denial and penance for God. Bring in only new songs, to convince people that the former rites were somehow wrong. Be sure to have at least one song in each Mass that never mentions Jesus, but only love of humans. The young will be enthusiastic about love of neighbor.
10. Remove all Saints relics from Altars, and then remove the altars themselves. Replace with Pagan, unblessed tables, which will be used to offer live sacrifice at Satan Masses. Repeal the Church law that says that Mass in Churches can only be said on altars containing Saint’s relics.
11. Stop the practice of saying Mass before the Holy Eucharist in the Tabernacle. Do not allow any Tabernacles on the tables used for the Mass. Make the table look like a dinner table. Make it portable, to imply that it is not sacred, but could do double duty for anything, such as a conference table or for playing cards. Later, put at least one chair at this table. Make the Priest sit in this, after Communion to signify that he rests after his meal. Never let the Priest kneel at Mass, nor genuflect people don’t kneel at meals.
12. Remove Saints from the Church calendar, a few at a time. Forbid the Priests the right to talk about Saints, unless mentioned in the Gospel. Say that there might be Protestants in the Church who would not like it.
13. When introducing the Gospels, drop the word Saint, in Gospel according to Saint John, or any other Saint. Simply say, Gospel according to John. This will imply that people should not honor them anymore. Keep rewriting Bibles until identical to Protestants!
14. Remove and destroy all personal prayer books. This will stop Litanies to the Sacred Heart, the Blessed Mother, St. Joseph, and preparation for Communion. It will also effectively reduce thanksgiving after Communion to a sham.
15. Remove all statues and pictures of Angels. Why have statues of our enemies around? Call it a myth or a bedtime story.
16. Eliminate the Minor Order of Exorcist, for expelling Devils. Work hard on this one. Sell the idea that there is not a real Devil. Say it is the Bible’s way of representing evil, and there can’t be a good story without a villain. Then they will not believe in Hell either, and will never be afraid of going there. Say that Hell is nothing more but being away from God, and what is so bad about that?
17. Teach that Jesus was only a human, who had brothers and sisters, and He hated the establishment. Say that He loved the company of prostitutes, especially Mary Magdalene. Say that He had no use for Churches or Synagogues.
18. Remember that you can cause Nuns to quit, by appealing to their vanity, charm and beauty; make them change their Habits, which will automatically make them throw away their Rosaries. Show the world that there is dissention in their Convents, and vocations will dry up.
19. Burn all Catechisms. Tell religion teachers to teach love of God’s people, instead of love of God. Tell them it is mature, to love openly. Make sex a common word in Religion Classes. Make sex a new Religion.
20. Close all Catholic Schools by reducing the number of Nun’s vocations. Say that Nuns are just underpaid social workers, and the Church is getting rich off of them.
21. Destroy the Pope by destroying his Empire of Universities. Separate universities from the Pope by saying that the government would then be glad to give them grants of money. Change the names of religious institutions to profane names, such as Immaculate Conception School to Compton Heights School. Call it Ecumenical.
22. Attack the Pope’s authority, by setting an age limit on his services. Reduce this gradually. Say that you are keeping him from being overworked.
23. Be bold, weaken the Pope by setting up a Bishop’s Synod. The Pope will then be a figurehead, as England is ruled by the House of Lords and the House of Commons. The King takes orders from them. Then weaken the Bishop’s authority by setting up a counterpart at the Priest’s level. Say that the Priests are finally getting the recognition they deserve. Then weaken the Priest’s authority by setting up lay groups to boss the Priests. There will be so much hatred developed, that even Cardinals will leave the Church. Say that the Church is now Democratic. Praise the New Collegiality.
24. Reduce Priest’s vocations by losing the respect of the Laity. One scandal of a Priest in politics will lose thousands of vocations. Praise fallen away Priests, who give up everything for the love of a woman. Call them heroic. Honor laicized Priests, as true martyrs who were being so oppressed that they couldn’t take it any longer.
25. Start closing Churches, because of lack of Priests, call it economizing, and good business practice. Say that God listens to prayers anywhere, so Churches are extravagant.
26. Use Lay Commissions and weak faith Priests to quickly condemn and disapprove of any new apparitions of the Blessed Mother or any alleged miracles, especially of St. Michael, the Archangel. Be absolutely certain that none whatever get approval after Vatican II. Then call it disobedience to authority if anybody follows the messages, or repeats them or EVEN THINKS about them.
27. Pass a law to disband the Curia each time a new Pope comes in. This is certain to insure that the Curia will contain many radicals and modernists.
28. Elect an Anti-Pope. Say that he will bring the Protestants back into the Church, and maybe even the Jews. Anti-Pope can be elected by giving the vote to the Bishops. There will be so many Popes nominated that an Anti-Pope will get in as a compromise Pope.
29. Eliminate Confession before first Holy Communion for 2nd and 3rd Grade children, so that they will not bother about Confession before Communion when they get into 4th or 5th or higher grades either. Confession will then disappear.
30. Get women and laity to give Communion, say that this is the Age of the Laity. Start giving Communion in the hand like the Protestants, instead of on the tongue – say that Christ did it this way. Collect some for Satanic Masses. Then replace individual Communion by a bowl of wafers, to be taken on leaving the Church. Say that they will then carry God’s gift into their daily lives. Install Communion vending machines, call them Tabernacles.
31. After Anti-Pope reigns, disband Synod of Bishops, Priest’s Unions, and lay advisor groups. Forbid any Religious to engage in politics without permission. Say that God loves humility, and hates glory seekers.
32. Give supreme power to Pope, to select his successors. Order the Mark of the Beast on all true lovers of God, under pain of excommunication.
33. Declare all former Church Dogmas false, except the Dogma of Infallibility. State that Jesus Christ was a revolutionary that didn’t make it. Say that the true Christ will soon come.
34. Order all subjects of the Pope, to fight in Holy Crusades to spread the One World Religion. Satan knows where all lost gold is! Ruthlessly conquer the world. This will give to humanity, what they have always yearned for the Golden Age of Peace.
Editor's Comment: Look at how many items the Antichrist forces have accomplished. We must fight the changes in the Church with all our might for they are coming from Satan himself. The laity must save the Church. Our Lady of the Roses awesome Bayside Prophecies... http://www.tldm.org/../Bayside/ These prophecies came from Jesus, Mary, and the saints to Veronica Lueken at Bayside, NY, from 1968 to 1995.
This woman's bishop has condemned these "prophecies". They're full of goofy stuff - like Paul VI was kidnapped and an Italian actor installed as Pope in his place, and the world was going to end in 1997 (it didn't).
A good rule of thumb is that if visions/prophecies contradict Catholic doctrine, they're suspect. If in addition to that the local Ordinary has condemned them, run away.
We had a similar situation here in Conyers, GA. A self-appointed "seer" attracted huge crowds, but the stuff she was claiming the Virgin Mary told her was New Age claptrap.
The text of the bishop's statement is on EWTN here. Fr. John Trigilio has a piece discounting the Bayside events as well. You can count on EWTN to be straight up orthodox.
Much of the “message” of Bayside is “conservative.”
But Veronica and her “visions” are a rank fraud.
As a “protestant”, I have to say this smells rather fishy.
The church deems her unreliable. She lives near me. Not much like when it first started. All over the place.
It’s totally bogus. It appeals to Catholic sentiment, but it is a fraud. Our Lady is a woman of few words. If you meditate on the things she says in the Gospel, that should be enough,....”do whatever He tells you”.
Well, I’m not a great fan of the “spirit of Vatican II.” I think there were people in high places who tried to undermine the Church.
But I looked into Veronica Lueken when she first appeared on the scene, and it was evident to me that she is a nut case.
It is banned.
Bishop Francis Mugavero, made the following declaration on November 4, 1986:[1]
I, the undersigned Diocesan Bishop of Brooklyn, in my role as the legitimate shepherd of this particular Church, wish to confirm the constant position of the Diocese of Brooklyn that a thorough investigation revealed that the alleged “visions of Bayside” completely lacked authenticity.
...Therefore, in consultation with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, I hereby declare that:
1. No credibility can be given to the so-called “apparitions” reported by Veronica Lueken and her followers.
2. The “messages” and other related propaganda contain statements which, among other things, are contrary to the teachings of the Catholic Church, undermine the legitimate authority of bishops and councils and instill doubts in the minds of the faithful, for example, by claiming that, for years, an “imposter (sic) Pope” governed the Catholic Church in place of Paul VI.
Jesus says “approximately”? Weird.
Agree with you and the fish isn’t the Fish from last Friday!
Seriously, this shows both a serious lack of discernment and a serious lack of internet research to tell who or what is good in the Catholic faith. You need to do your homework.
I heard OF this twenty years ago. It must have been before these 35 points.
There was something similar in Wisconsin some years ago, but I don’t remember the name of the town or the people involved. Seems some woman claimed visions, built a big “shrine” type of park, and someone started “ordaining” their personal priests and bishops and starting an order of “nuns.” It was condemned and forbidden to reopen, but when I was through there, the “park” was still there. The woman died years ago. Did you ever hear of it? Can you recall the name of the town?
Sounds like a Kraftwerk concert.
Drawing a complete blank on that one. Wasn’t mentioned in Fr Trigilio’s list of apparitions.
Good grief!! Take a pill!
I found the name. It had escaped me for a long time. The town was Neceda. Looks like they are still talking it up. I wonder what part of “Not legitimate” they don’t understand?
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