“If you don’t have everlasting/eternal life before you die, you don’t have it, Jesus says. The wrath of God remains on you. “
There you go again . . . condemning people to damnation and hell and blaming it on the Savior who gave His life to save us from our sins.
The “wrath of God” is a rather severe punishment, Colofornian, and should reserved for His judgment - NOT YOURS!
NIV Philippians 4:3
Yes, and I ask you, loyal yokefellow, help these women who have contended at my side in the cause of the gospel, along with Clement and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life.
NIV Revelation 3:5
He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.
NIV Revelation 13:8-9
8. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast--all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.
9. He who has an ear, let him hear.
NIV Revelation 17:8
The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come.
Revelation 201. And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain.
2. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.
3. He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.
4. I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5. (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.
6. Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
7. When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison
8. and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth--Gog and Magog--to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.
9. They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God's people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.
10. And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11. Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them.
12. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
13. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.
14. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
15. If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Is YOUR name written there?
NIV Revelation 21:27
Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.
There you go again . . . condemning people to damnation and hell and blaming it on the Savior who gave His life to save us from our sins.
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THats OK
Jesus has broad shoulders...
He doesnt need you to protect Him from “hurt feelings”
He was the one who said it and He is the one who is...
condemning people to damnation and Hell ...
Why is that so hard for you to accept ???
Jesus talked about Hell more than He talked about Heaven...
Hell is a real place...you wouldnt want to go there..
There is only the only level of Heaven and the one level of Hell for humans...
We get to choose where we will spend eternity...
We know before we go where we are bound for...
There’ll be more people in Hell than there will be in Heaven...
Joey Smith will be in Hell along with Hitler..
Hes not waiting at any gate for you with a ticket or back stage pass in his hand...
He wont be anywhere aroujnd Heaven..
He had 38 years to make up his mind and he chose damnation and Hell..
SAfter 38 years of knowing about the real Jesus and choosing to reject Him, Joey Smith died in a shoot out in a hail of bullets and an ignoble lack of glory..
Hes dead and gone forever...no more chances for him..
Once you are dead it is too late...
You have to repent of your sins and get saved while you are still alive...
Jesus warned us and explained fully (as in the MEAT) that we have to chose while we are still alive...
Chose to believe in Him alone and be saved...
reject Him and dont believe and be damned and go to Hell (Mark 16:16)
What is so difficult to understand about that ???
I understood it as a child of eight...
Surely at 60 you have heard enough preachers preach the Gospel of the True and Living Word of Jesus Christ...
Jesus said to Saundra Duffy, “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man or woman comes to the Father except by me.” John 14:6
Tou spent years with a Chrsitian group, the YMAM...
Did not a tiny inclination of the truth of Jesus ever rub of on you in all the time you were around those good Chrsitian ministers ???
No hint that you yourself might need a Savior ???
You mean you wasted their time and deceived them into thinking you were in agreement with their religion and beliefs and mission ???
How can you live with yourself knowing you were lying to good Chrsitian folk with a heart for the lost...
I hope you repented and asked their forgiveness...
While you yet have breathe in your body there is still hope that you will finally be saved...
Once you close your eyes in death there is no second chances...
God is Just and Fair...
He givces us all the same playing field and opportunity to play on His team...
Team try outs are in session 24/7 while we are alive on this Earth...
the season is over forever once we die...
God accepts ever player on His team who try out because we all stink when arrive at the ball park...
It takes practice and adhering to God’s omnly play book The Bible to clean up out act and out playing...
But finally we all get to play in the Super Bowl in the sky in Heaven...
There’ll ber lots of VERY LOUD shouts and cheering for our Team Captain the LORD Jesus Christ on that day...
The Lamb of God will give us our team jerseys...white with His red blood stripes...
here I’ve gone and preached myself happy...
Dont it makre ya want to SHOUT ???
Holy is the Lamb of God...
Praise His Holy Name...
His Name Jesus is above all names...
Hallelujah to the King of Kings and the LORD of lords...
Well go ahead and just SHOUT then...
God likes it when we SHOUT and praise the Name of Jesus...
God likes NOISE.... God is not nervous...
The devil would like to shut us up and keep us quiet...but we were born to express ourselves...
We were born to praise the LORD Jesus...
Once we are dead its too late...
Decide to get saved and do it now...
You can choose Heaven, you can choose hell.
There is nothing that I can do to save you or condemn you.
It is your choice.
Jesus and only Jesus is sufficient.
There is nothing that you can do, you can not add to the sufficiency of Christ.
Sandy, you were a YWAMer long enough, I’d assume, to read those verses just beyond John 3:16, right?
For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son…36Whoever believes in the Son HAS eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him." (John 3:17-18, 36)
Did you see that phrase ”stands condemned already” in John 3:18?
The “wrath of God” is a rather severe punishment, Colofornian, and should reserved for His judgment - NOT YOURS!
Now tell me you’re different from the other Mormons I’ve encountered – the ones I’ve talked with who assume nobody except some rare apostates are under condemnation. Go, ahead, tell me you’re different than they are. Don’t you understand that according to John 3:18, people who don’t believe in the ”one and ONLY Son” (which excludes those who believe that Jesus is one “elder brother Son among MANY”) ”stand condemned already?” And, of course, that condemnation includes God’s existing wrath remaining on him/her.
(If you don’t like what Jesus said in John 3:18,36 take it up with Jesus!)
No matter what, Sandy, God’s wrath and condemnation is unleashed upon the sin of us all. Either
(a) Jesus’ stint on the cross absorbs it on our behalf; or
(b) For those who want to work their way to high degrees of glory, or slouch their away along – doesn’t matter – the sin will remain in their own lap. What a sorry thought that is as it crosses my mind.
… There you go again . . . condemning people to damnation and hell…
As I said above, I just cited John 3:36. How would that be any different than a Mormon citing Mosiah 2:38-39; 3:19 or Alma 42:16 from the Book of Mormon?
“For the natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam, and will be, forever and ever, unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit, and putteth off the natural man and becometh a saint through the atonement of Christ the Lord…” Mosiah 3:19 -- which, BTW, was supposedly written in B.C. 124 … how convenient for such explicit words such as the Greek word, Christ, and the word Tyndale made up late in the 13th century – “atonement” to show up on a gold plate in B.C. 124 before there was a tremendous amount of discussion about “enticings of the Holy Spirit,” “saints,” and “atonement” and “Christ the Lord.”
“Therefore if that man repenteth not, and remaineth and dieth an enemy to God, and the demands of divine justice do awaken his immortal soul to a lively sense of his own guilt, which doth cause him to shrink from the presence of the Lord, and doth fill his breast with guilt and pain, and anguish, which is like an unquenchable fire, whose flame ascendeth up forever and ever. And now I say unto you, that mercy hath no claim on that man; therefore his final doom is to endure a never-ending torment.” (Mosiah 2:38-39, Book of Mormon)
”Now, repentance could not come unto men except there were a punishment, which also was eternal as the life of the soul should be…” (Alma 42:16, Book of Mormon)
“If you don’t have everlasting/eternal life before you die, you don’t have it, Jesus says. The wrath of God remains on you. “ [colo]
There you go again . . . condemning people to damnation and hell and blaming it on the Savior who gave His life to save us from our sins. [SD]
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Um...you don’t know your Bible very well, do you Sandy?
As Elsie posted, the Bible is VERY clear, those who do not trust Jesus ALONE (not a ‘church’) for their salvation, will reap the ‘rewards’ of damnation.
What the LDS FAIL to understand, is God is a HOLY and JUST God, as well as a merciful God. But the LDS only think of Him (them) as merciful, they leave out the Holy and Just parts.
There is no ‘second chance’, there is no ‘universal salvation’, there are no ‘3 levels of Heaven’, there is no earned godhood or exaltation or celestial kingdom - none of those doctrines are Biblical at all.
What there is, is FAITH IN JESUS ALONE or HELL. It is one or the other.
And, no one who is LDS, can claim to put their faith in Jesus alone to get them back into the presence of GOD THE FATHER (Christian Salvation). Why? Because the LDS church teachings say that membership, temple work, tithing, and ‘works’ are required to get to the CK. That means the LDS MUST ALSO put their faith in the Mormon church to save them and THAT is following a false god.
Just as it is either Jesus or Hell, it is either Jesus or Mormonism. There is no other choice.
Please, Sandy, leave the security of your false God and come to the true and living Christ and trust Him ALONE to save you - not membership in a man made organization.
How about a link once in a while?
Your church’s founder and subsequent prophets and apostles have already thrown down the gauntlet.
If you don’t like it being given back in the truest meaning and context, take it up with SLC.