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Glenn Beck to Address Baptist Grads, but His Mormonism Sparks Debate
Politics Daily ^ | May 14, 2010 | David Gibson

Posted on 05/15/2010 7:58:57 AM PDT by Colofornian

Glenn Beck is a darling of Fox News viewers and a must-see for legions of religious conservatives. So given his profile and right-of-center views, it was no surprise when it was announced that Beck would be a featured speaker at this Sunday's commencement at Baptist-run Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va., the brainchild of the late Rev. Jerry Falwell, founder of the Moral Majority.

Falwell's son, Jerry Jr., is the current president of Liberty. In a statement explaining the invitation, he called Beck "one of the few courageous voices in the national media standing up for the principles upon which this nation was founded."

Yet if conservative Christians share Beck's political and social views, many of them also remain extremely suspicious of Beck's Mormon faith. Beck became a Mormon as an adult and credits his faith with turning his life around. But evangelicals generally consider Mormonism a "cult" and not Christian.

As a result, Beck's appearance at Liberty has generated an unusual amount of public infighting among evangelicals -- and creating the kind of controversy that is often associated with Catholic colleges, such as Notre Dame experienced last year when President Obama was invited to be the commencement speaker.

Ryan Begue, a Florida pastor who is in this year's graduating class from Liberty's theological seminary, said he was "shocked and disappointed" at Falwell's invitation to Beck.

"It seems that the leadership's decision in this matter gives the impression that it is more committed to conservatism than the Gospel," Begue wrote in the Florida Baptist Witness. "I have no beef with Glenn Beck as a person, but I certainly do with his religious beliefs. Why does Liberty not invite a Christian?"

Liberty University's Facebook page also lit up with the debate, while prominent Christian conservatives also weighed in.

"Alliances such as these are not glorifying to God, in that what association has God with false religions?" wrote John Ferguson, founder of the Voice of Truth blog. "The tangential dangers when the evangelical community unites with the secular world for the sake of social or political agendas are numerous because it leads to a dilution of truths from the Word of God, opens the door to give credence to non-believers within evangelical circles and ultimately leads to the eternal destruction of lost people."

A 2007 Pew Forum survey showed 25 percent of Americans would be less likely to vote for a Mormon candidate for president, with only Muslims and atheists earning higher negatives. But among white evangelicals who attend church weekly -- the GOP base and the dominant demographic of Liberty University -- the number rises to above 40 percent. In 2008, Focus on the Family, a leading lobby of the Christian right, pulled an interview with Beck over concerns that they would appear to be sanctioning his Mormon faith.

And during his 2008 bid, Romney faced a serious pushback from evangelicals who even opposed the idea of John McCain selecting him as his running mate on the Republican ticket, one of the factors that led McCain to finally choose Sarah Palin.

(Mormons insist they are Christians because they believe in Jesus Christ and consider the Bible Holy Scripture. But most traditional Christian churches do not accept the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints -- the formal name for Mormons -- as Christian because of the religion's beliefs on the nature of God, salvation, the Trinity and their scriptures, such as the Book of Mormon, and other texts discovered by founding prophet Joseph Smith in upstate New York in the 1800s.)

Falwell seemed to anticipate the risks of the Beck invitation when he noted in his statement that Liberty University has always held two end-of-year ceremonies -- a baccalaureate ceremony to confer degrees that "always includes a gospel message brought by someone who is in complete theological alignment with the university" and a separate commencement ceremony that "has always featured leaders from all walks of life and all faiths who share the university's social values and traditional family values."

"Commencement speakers," he noted, "have included representatives from the following faiths: Roman Catholicism, Judaism, mainline Protestant denominations such as the Episcopal Church, and even some speakers with no religious affiliation at all."

Falwell's effort did not forestall the controversy, however.

"We are not to put politics first and the Lord second," wrote Steve McConkey, another prominent Christian conservative, who is upset at the Beck invitation. "If this country is to have another revival, we need to get back to the basics, just like an athlete who has to go back to the basics to learn proper skills. We join Glenn Beck in many of his viewpoints, however, we do not endorse his Mormon beliefs."

There has arguably been some softening, at least among the Southern Baptist leadership, in their view of Mormonism, perhaps influenced by the "ecumenism of the trenches" -- that in a culture war, all social conservatives must stick together. That is part of the reason that evangelicals and Roman Catholics now collaborate on fights against abortion and gay marriage despite their historical cultural divide and their ongoing doctrinal differences.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints used to be listed under "cults and sects" by the Southern Baptist Convention, but today is categorized among "newly developed religions" by the SBC's North American Mission Board. Similarly, some Southern Baptist leaders, such as Richard Land, have referred to Mormonism as the "fourth Abrahamic religion" after Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

But as the Glenn Beck commencement controversy shows, even fourth place isn't enough to overcome such long-held suspicions


TOPICS: Current Events; Evangelical Christian; Other Christian; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: 2010commencements; beck; christiancollege; glennbeck; inman; lds; liberty; libertyu; mormon; virginia
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To: Eva
Your are right, that was an ambiguous statement because I was not referring to spiritual salvation. I was referring to political and economic salvation. Sorry.

Are you aware that when Beck addresses "political and economic salvation" in a general sense that it can be "unpacked" as well:

Two comments by LDS general authorities (one by a "prophet" and another by an "apostle" are especially interesting for their religious-political overtones):

John Taylor was with Joseph Smith when he died -- surviving a wound -- and went on to become an LDS "prophet":

“The Almighty has established this kingdom with order and laws and every thing pertaining thereto… [so] that when the nations shall be convulsed, we may stand forth as saviours…and finally redeem a ruined world, not only in a religious but in a political point of view.” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 9, p. 342, April 13, 1862)

LDS apostle Orson Hyde: “What the world calls ‘Mormonism’ will rule every nation...God has decreed it, and his own right arm will accomplish it. This will make the heathen rage.” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 53)

So, don't you all look forward to when this LDS apostle's and "prophets'" extended "prophesies" will come into fruition? Why, supposedly "Mormonism will rule every nation" because they will be our "religious...and political" saviors!

Also, I suggest you do some research on The 'White Horse Prophesy' by LDS so-called "prophet" Joseph Smith: We shall build the Zion of the Lord in peace until the servants of that Lord shall begin to lay the foundation of a great and high watch Tower and then shall they begin to say within themselves, what need hath my Lord of this tower seeing this is a time of peace &c. Then the Enemy shall come as a thief in the night and scatter the servants abroad. When the seed of these 12 Olive trees are scattered abroad they will wake up the Nations of the whole Earth. Even this Nation will be on the very verge of crumbling to pieces and tumbling to the ground and when the constitution is upon the brink of ruin this people will be the Staff up[on] which the Nation shall lean and they shall bear the constitution away from the very verge of destruction.” (The Historians Corner, BYU Studies, Vol. 19, No. 3, p. 391-392)

181 posted on 05/16/2010 1:20:23 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: ottbmare
Sorry, but I find eternity and important issue.
182 posted on 05/16/2010 1:22:06 PM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: Elsie
Unfortunately; I doubt that the mouth will follow...

Nor will your brain.

183 posted on 05/16/2010 1:40:42 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Elsie

Westerna


184 posted on 05/16/2010 1:40:58 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Elsie
Now I am starting to YODEL!

How does that differ from most of your other FR offerings? :-)

185 posted on 05/16/2010 1:53:12 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

Westenra


186 posted on 05/16/2010 2:29:44 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: rickomatic

Yes he is pushing another gospel..what fellowship has light with darkness?


187 posted on 05/16/2010 6:44:40 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Graybeard58

Exactly


188 posted on 05/16/2010 6:45:14 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Elsie
He will use it as a bully pulpit and reach more people in an HOUR than the missionaires do all year extolling the TRUTHFULLNESS of Mormonism.

THEN, perhaps, peoples eyes will be opened!

When he gets around to endorsing Mitt Romney, it will open a few eyes too.

189 posted on 05/16/2010 7:31:07 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (No Romney,No Mark Kirk (Illinois), not now, not ever!)
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To: RnMomof7
Yes he is pushing another gospel..what fellowship has light with darkness?

Glen Beck isn't pushing any other Gospel. He may be being decieved by another Gospel, but I haven't heard or seen him bicycling around in his black suit and nametag proseletyzing anyone. Do you turn you back on all lost sinners, and let them go to hell on their merry way? Or are you one of those "Christians" who only associate with other believers? Is your banker a fellow Christian? How about your Dr.? Or your dentist? Howabout your grocer? C'mon, we are to be salt and light to the world. If I remember correctly, it was Jesus himself who also was condemned for hanging out with prostitutes, tax collectors and other sundry sinners. It is in fact the sick who are in need of the physician. And I doubt Glen Beck will be handing out Books of Mormon to the graduates after his speech. I would have a little more faith in what they've been taught at their school in regards to the true Gospel to be swayed by a motivational politcal speaker who happens to not (yet) be born again.
190 posted on 05/16/2010 9:46:56 PM PDT by rickomatic
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To: Graybeard58

Yes, I can. My source is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBbcGIrgOds.


191 posted on 05/17/2010 2:39:02 AM PDT by good1
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To: good1

Thanks for the link, I didn’t know that Falwell believed that way.


192 posted on 05/17/2010 6:10:02 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (No Romney,No Mark Kirk (Illinois), not now, not ever!)
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To: MHGinTN
But you’ll be getting freepmail soon

Appreciated more than you know.

193 posted on 05/17/2010 7:18:28 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: rickomatic
Taking a lesson from our Founders--whom Glenn is arduously teaching on--we must be about finding the commonality of our love for liberty and freedom, rather than wrangling over the differences in our religious beliefs. There were states which started because of religious differences, but even these states joined in the union.

Once we save our REPUBLIC, then we can sit down and reason together over WHom is the Savior of mankind, and how He represents Himself through mortal men and women.

194 posted on 05/17/2010 7:32:28 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: good1
Jerry Falwell labeled Calvinism as heresy. It is very strange that Liberty University would have certain heretic speak. And, theologically speaking, if Beck is a Mormon, he is a heretic.

Nuances are important when a person uses the terms heresy or heretic. It's an emotionally-ladden term which is often misunderstood.

Any theological error is a heresy and anyone who holds to that position is a heretic. However, it is possible the error does not affect the person's salvation. Most evangelicals would consider Calvinism to be this type of heresy: Christians but with a flawed heresy. Any Presbyterian who holds church office has affirmed Calvinistic positions. I doubt that Falwell believed that Presbyterians weren't Christians.

There is another class of error (sometimes called a damnable heresy) which is so egregious that a Christian cannot hold that position and still be a Christian. Mormonism is of this nature. There might be some Christians in the LDS "Church" but it is despite the teaching of that "church" not because of it.

195 posted on 05/17/2010 7:43:02 AM PDT by CommerceComet
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To: Elsie

“... the one you most love. And it can be person animal, place ...” Eck is ick


196 posted on 05/17/2010 7:48:57 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: good1
I just listened to Falwell's statement on limited atonement. I think you are reading way too much into the statement. (See my earlier post on the different types of heresy.)

Personally, I have always considered limited atonement to be more of a philosophical concept than a theological one. While the other four points of Calvinism can be supported by and derived from Scripture, limited atonement not so much. (I've often joked that I'm a 4+ point Calvinist.)

I don't have an issue with the summary on limited atonement from the Canons of Dordt: Christ's atonement is sufficient for all mankind but efficacious for only the elect. Unfortunately, a lot of modern Calvinists add baggage to that idea which I often have trouble with.

197 posted on 05/17/2010 8:29:52 AM PDT by CommerceComet
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To: MHGinTN

You are under my power...

Worship ME, instead of YOU!


198 posted on 05/17/2010 11:26:18 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: rickomatic

I just listened to his address HE PREACHED and what he preached was a false gospel


199 posted on 05/17/2010 1:41:01 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: good1

Does not matter.. they had a member of a cult preach at their graduation..


200 posted on 05/17/2010 1:42:27 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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