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Doctrine . . . Not [LDS Atheology]
By Common Consent ^ | January 18, 2007 | Chris Kimball

Posted on 05/12/2010 6:53:06 PM PDT by delacoert

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To: SZonian

“None of you were called of the Lord so all that all of you say is just murmuring!”

Let’s see if you can post the proof and source of that claim.

Otherwise, it sounds like a child throwing a tantrum because they can’t control the message.

****

...are you saying you are a prophet!

were you called of God as was Aaron?

Heb. 5: 4
4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.


61 posted on 05/13/2010 11:03:56 AM PDT by restornu
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To: svcw

I weep for those who are of stiffneck!


62 posted on 05/13/2010 11:06:54 AM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu

satan lied to Eve, he lied to Joseph Smith.....you to can be god.
Apparently you believe this by your posts.
My Spirit weeps for you.
Good bye, Resty.


63 posted on 05/13/2010 11:09:55 AM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: restornu
You pretend to know what is in our hearts.

You then digress into childish rants that having nothing to do with the topic or the inquiry.

Again, post the proof and source of your claim in your previous comment...

“None of you were called of the Lord so all that all of you say is just murmuring!”

Otherwise, admit (will never happen) that you are in a perpetual state of ignorance regarding the motives of those you rail against.

64 posted on 05/13/2010 11:41:59 AM PDT by SZonian (We began as a REPUBLIC, a nation of laws. We became a DEMOCRACY, majority rules. Next step is?)
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To: restornu; svcw
"I weep for those who are of stiffneck!"

This very post is duplicitous and presents an interesting dichotomy.

On one hand you claim empathy and on the other you lash out at those very ones you're claiming empathy for by calling them "stiffneck"(sp).

I doubt the sincerity of your post.

65 posted on 05/13/2010 11:48:40 AM PDT by SZonian (We began as a REPUBLIC, a nation of laws. We became a DEMOCRACY, majority rules. Next step is?)
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To: restornu
No matter how you say it: joseph smith got what he deserved:

Proverbs 29:1

New American Standard Bible

A man who hardens his neck after much reproof Will suddenly be broken beyond remedy.

King James Bible

He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.

American King James Version

He, that being often reproved hardens his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.

American Standard Version

He that being often reproved hardeneth his neck Shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.

Douay-Rheims Bible

The man that with a stiff neck despiseth him that reproveth him, shall suddenly be destroyed: and health shall not follow him.

Darby Bible Translation

He that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and without remedy.

English Revised Version

He that being often reproved hardeneth his neck shall suddenly be broken, and that without remedy.

Webster's Bible Translation

He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.

World English Bible

He who is often rebuked and stiffens his neck will be destroyed suddenly, with no remedy.desevered.

66 posted on 05/13/2010 11:50:29 AM PDT by roylene (Don't believe everything you think!)
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To: restornu
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, ...

Ha!

How about being DECEIVED by a claim of...

"I've learned that PRESBYTERIANism is UNTRUE."


67 posted on 05/13/2010 12:34:39 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian
Resty, where's 1 Colossians again? :) ]

Heck!

I'm awaiting BoM II: just like the REST of the MORMONs!

68 posted on 05/13/2010 12:35:43 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
None of you were called of the Lord...

How can you be so ARROGANT when you KNOW this is "Pray for Resty ThuRsday"?

69 posted on 05/13/2010 12:36:33 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian

You're working for a boss who is untrained in the key policies of your job -- especially the "why" those policies were put in place to begin with. . . .

I did not say the leaders of the LDS Church are "untrained in the key policies" of their jobs or mine. What I wrote was, "formal training in theology is not required to serve in the LDS Church, even at the highest levels."

That is not a "cop out" but a statement of fact. So far as I can tell from their official biographies, none of the top 15 leaders of the LDS Church claims to hold an academic degree in theology or philosophy.

Can we at least agree on that point? If not, there is no point in going any further.

70 posted on 05/13/2010 12:38:07 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: restornu
 
As I witness on FR RF these words fit the Anti’s rage!
 
 
Witness the lack of an answer to the QUESTION that fit's the ex-PRESBYTERIANs ignorance!
 
 


http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/17#17

  I then said to my mother,
“I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”
 
 
 

71 posted on 05/13/2010 12:38:56 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SZonian; restornu
Otherwise, it sounds like a child throwing a tantrum because they can't control the message.

Resty; you really need to post a few more MORMON caucus threads.

THOSE you can CONTROL!

72 posted on 05/13/2010 12:40:08 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
 

...are you saying you are a prophet!

were you called of God as was Aaron?

Heb. 5: 4
4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.

 
 
HERE is what a 'true' PROPHET hears on his LAST DAY...

JESUS: Hey Smith!
Remember that boast you made about doing more than even I had done to hold the 'church' together?

JOSEPH SMITH: Where am I?

JESUS: Don't you remember? A few seconds ago you were in that jail.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah; but where am I NOW?

JESUS: Don't you remember? Does bang - bang ring a bell?

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah - that crummy gun I had was about USELESS!

JESUS: I hope you left instructions on how to hold your church together.

JOSEPH SMITH: Dang! I knew there was SOMETHING I was forgetting!

JESUS: Looks like there's a power struggle going on down there.

JOSEPH SMITH: Yeah; there was always SOMEone who wanted the power that I held - especially over the LADIES - wink wink.

JESUS: No need to worry about that now; remember what my friend Matthew wrote down?

JOSEPH SMITH: This? “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven” (Matthew 22:30)

JESUS: That's it.

JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.

JESUS: Nah - it was right.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh well; it was fun while it lasted. My buds will still get it on with the girls.

JESUS: Uh; I'm sorry; in just a few more years; your followers will cavein to the United States government and abandon the 'Eternal Covenant' that you came up with.

JOSEPH SMITH: ME!? YOU are the one that told me to do that!

JESUS: Sorry; but you must have mistranslated what I told you. What part of Do NOT commit ADULTERY did you not understand?

JOSEPH SMITH: mumble....

JESUS: What did you say?

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, nothing.

JESUS: Well; it was interesting talking to you; but now I must get back to perparing a place for those who believe in Me.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, yeah; the Celestial Kingdom.

JESUS: No...

JOSEPH SMITH: The Telestial one?

JESUS: Nope.

JOSEPH SMITH: SUREly not the TERRESTRIAL one!!

JESUS: Nope. Didn't you read that the mind of man had NOT conceived of it? Paul wrote it down in 1 Corinthians 2:9.

JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.

JESUS: No; it wasn't.

JOSEPH SMITH: You SURE?

JESUS: Yes. Now I must be going: what did you say your name was again?

JOSEPH SMITH: Joseph Smith.

JESUS: Hmmmm. According to my Heavenly Facebook, you didn't sign in as one of my friends - sorry, I never knew you.

JOSEPH SMITH: But....


73 posted on 05/13/2010 12:42:15 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
I weep for those who are of stiffneck!

You should try PRAYING for them; that THEY might know the Great Secret of Presbyterian UNTRUTH!!!!

74 posted on 05/13/2010 12:43:25 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: roylene
Hey there - SMITH!!!
75 posted on 05/13/2010 12:44:11 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Logophile
 
What I wrote was, "formal training in theology is not required to serve in the LDS Church, even at the highest levels."

That is not a "cop out" but a statement of fact.

 

Oh, we can DEFINITELY agree on THAT point!!



 

In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet”, for our salvation depends on them.


1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.
5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
6. The prophet does not have to say “Thus Saith the Lord,” to give us scripture.
7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.
9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.
11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—the highest quorum in the Church.
14. The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.

I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captain—how close do our lives harmonize with the Lord’s anointed—the living Prophet—President of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.

Ezra Taft Benson

(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University)

 


 


76 posted on 05/13/2010 12:46:24 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: roylene

I seem to recall from the Bible a king who hardened his neck against the admonitions delivered to him. God granted him a few more years when he pleaded for mercy, but he just hardened his neck in the granted extra years, and then one day when bad news arrived, he fell off a fence and broke his hardened neck.


77 posted on 05/13/2010 12:49:00 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: Elsie

Perhaps she is feeling the ‘heaping coals’ ????


78 posted on 05/13/2010 12:50:20 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: svcw

THX1138


79 posted on 05/13/2010 1:26:52 PM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: svcw

I have nothing against catholics. I merely used them as an example because they have the pope and are generally thought of as more religious than the rest of us.


80 posted on 05/13/2010 8:07:58 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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