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Doctrine . . . Not [LDS Atheology]
By Common Consent ^ | January 18, 2007 | Chris Kimball

Posted on 05/12/2010 6:53:06 PM PDT by delacoert

Mormonism is essentially a sacramental religion, defined by ordinance and ritual more than doctrine or belief. Any effort to define “Mormon doctrine” is fraught with difficulty and virtually certain of error, although one might venture that the “belief” portion of the temple recommend interview defines doctrine.[1] As Edward Kimball says, “Church history shows that General Authorities frequently declare, clarify, refine, and qualify interpretations of doctrine, but these statements generally constitute only informed opinion.”[2]

On the other hand, there are numerous statements, writings and beliefs that have been put forward as doctrine, or believed as doctrine, at one time or by some people, that we can be fairly confident are not doctrine. We have somewhat more confidence about what is not doctrine than what is.

Only half-jokingly, one might start with the obvious-to-most-adult-Mormons statement that your high school seminary teacher was not a reliable source of doctrine.

So what do we know is not doctrine? Here is a short collection of ideas about “doctrines” we might reject, meant to invite comment and addendum. These are presented in no particular order, although the inspiration for this investigation is chapter 11 of Lengthen Your Stride, which depicts Spencer W. Kimball’s contributions to the discussion of doctrine and even more “not” doctrine.

A. Neither ‘Man, His Origin and Destiny’ by Elder Joseph Fielding Smith, nor ‘Mormon Doctrine’ by Elder Bruce R. McConkie, is an official publication of the Church.[3]

B. Despite numerous requests (and positions stated or implied in the publications noted in A above), the Church has never taken a definitive position on the matter of organic evolution.

C. “We denounce [the Adam-God Theory] and hope that everyone will be cautioned against this and other kinds of false doctrine.”[4]

D. Other churches are not all wrong. “The great religious leaders of the world such as Mohammed, Confucius, and the Reformers, as well as philosophers including Socrates, Plato, and others, received a portion of God’s light. Moral truths were given to them by God to enlighten whole nations and to bring a higher level of understanding to individuals.”[5]

E. References to blood atonement (leaving aside the atonement of Christ), if understood as applying to modern circumstances, ‘do not . . . represent the official stand of the Church.’[6]

F. Elder McConkie’s talk at BYU on “The Seven Deadly Heresies” (including acceptance of organic evolution, a belief that God progresses in knowledge, and the idea that progression from kingdom to kingdom in the afterlife is possible) were Elder McConkie’s personal views and not doctrine.[7]

G. The Joseph Smith Translation is “not the official Bible of the Church.” It is “interesting,” a “fruitful source,” and an “invaluable aid to biblical interpretation and understanding.”[8]

H. Church policy set in 1967 allowing only Melchizedek or Aaronic Priesthood holders to pray in sacrament meetings had no scriptural basis and should be abandoned.[9]

I. The practice of polygamy after 1890 is not in accord with the teachings of the Church.[10]

J. There is no ban on priesthood ordination of Black men after 1978.[11]

K. There is no authoritative or doctrinal explanation why the ordination of Black men was not allowed before 1978.

L. There is not an absolute prohibition on abortion.[12]

M. The Lectures on Faith are not doctrine.[13]

[1] In modern form the belief questions are: “(1) Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost? (2) Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer? (3) Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days? (4) Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?” These four questions are, of course, not wholly self-defining and lend themselves to a number of interpretations.
[2] Lengthen Your Stride, The Presidency of Spencer W. Kimball, by Edward Kimball (Deseret Book 2005), at page 95.
[3] Letters and journal entries from President David O. McKay in 1959 and 1960, among other sources.
[4] Spencer W. Kimball at October General Conference in 1976.
[5] Statement by the First Presidency on February 15, 1978.
[6] Bruce R. McConkie, in 1977, responding to a question at the request of the First Presidency.
[7] Lengthen Your Stride at page 101 and clarification in the version published in 1980 BYU Speeches of the Year, changing “we” to “I” and saying “my reasoning causes me to conclude.”
[8] Quotes from the dictionary included in the LDS edition of the Bible.
[9] Priesthood Bulletin 3, no. 3 (July/August 1967).
[10] Official Declaration 1.
[11] Official Declaration 2.
[12] General Handbook of Instructions, which describes certain exceptions where abortion could be the better choice.
[13] Not included in the 1979 and 1981 editions of the standard works. Ed Kimball notes in Lengthen Your Stride that inclusion was proposed at that time but not approved, and that “Several studies had recently concluded that Sidney Rigdon was the principal author of the lectures.”


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To: svcw

The Holy Ghost has feelings and you are breaking His heart with all this anti Mormon garbage.


141 posted on 05/14/2010 4:23:59 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Jesus Christ is my Savior. Deal with it. And stop insulting my Savior by spewing all that nonsense. Your hatefulness toward me and my faith is very telling.


142 posted on 05/14/2010 4:26:14 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Saundra Duffy
Seriously?

I believe in One God eternally existing in three persons - Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

I believe in the personality of the Holy Spirit, His regenerating work, and abiding presence in the true believer.

I believe that the Holy Spirit indwells all true believers and that He has been sent to be The Comforter and Empowerer of the true Christian church, to produce the fruit of the Holy Spirit and the gifts of the Holy Spirit according to the Scriptures.

143 posted on 05/14/2010 4:32:14 PM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: Saundra Duffy; Tennessee Nana
I am very sure that TN can defend herself, however this constant rant by LDS that she spews hate towards you (LDS) grows weary.

Give a single example of hate toward you or any LDS.

Not counting LDS sources, words of your leaders posted here, those are not hate those are your own (LDS) words.

144 posted on 05/14/2010 5:15:47 PM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: Saundra Duffy
Wow....I just read the post you replied to. And I see no sign of anti-mormon "garbage".

Frankly I would think you would agree with it all....

145 posted on 05/14/2010 5:22:12 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Saundra Duffy

The mormon jesus cant save anyone...Deal with it...


146 posted on 05/14/2010 6:03:46 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Saundra Duffy

Sandy: Your jesus is small, mean, petty and condemning..
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Sandy why dont you just stop insulting my Savior by spewing all that nonsense. Your hatefulness toward me and my faith is very telling.


147 posted on 05/14/2010 6:05:32 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Saundra Duffy

The holy ghost has feelings
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The Holy Ghost of the Christian Bible is God...

the Third Person of the trinity...

God is not a wimpy little girl...

You need to get to know Him...


148 posted on 05/14/2010 6:08:23 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Saundra Duffy

_and you are breaking his heart with all this anti Mormon garbage.
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Did the mormon “holy ghost” tell you that ???

When you and he were having a gab fest ???


149 posted on 05/14/2010 6:10:16 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: svcw

150


150 posted on 05/14/2010 6:28:35 PM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: Saundra Duffy

Your hatefulness toward me and my faith is very telling.
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Yes its telling you that I agree with the Jesus of the Christian Bible aboutg you and your so called “faith”


151 posted on 05/14/2010 7:26:00 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Saundra Duffy

Since you claim to have an intimate relationship with the Holy Spirit—telling us what is breaking His heart—perhaps you would itemize the offenses you deem heart breaking to His majesty. You do alot of complaining about people revealing items of Mormonism, but never seem to post what items are false. Quite telling of Mormonism really, that the adherents haven’t a clue what their own cult claims of lies as truth.


152 posted on 05/14/2010 7:32:04 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: mamelukesabre
I have nothing against catholics. I merely used them as an example because they have the pope and are generally thought of as more religious than the rest of us.

By WHOM?

153 posted on 05/15/2010 3:53:16 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: mamelukesabre
I’m attacking you for attacking mormons.

What is your take on Joseph Smith's 'attack' on ALL of Christianity?

Any sympathys?

Ambivalance??

Who cares???

154 posted on 05/15/2010 3:54:56 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: mamelukesabre

155 posted on 05/15/2010 3:55:54 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ejonesie22

When you’re a Jet...


156 posted on 05/15/2010 3:56:28 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Saundra Duffy
Get over yourselves and stop promoting the business of anti Mormonism.

Pay your tithe and keeping building up the BUSINESSES of MORMONism.

157 posted on 05/15/2010 3:58:01 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Saundra Duffy
 
The Holy Ghost is my Witness.
 
It's too bad the MORMONism's Founder didn't have that 'witness' when it came to READING PLAIN and SIMPLE Scripture!
 


 1 Timothy 3:2-3
 2.  Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
 3.  not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.
 
 
1 Timothy 3:12
   A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.
 
 
 Titus 1:6
   An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.




 
BEHOLD!!!!  The Restorative Power  of the Book of Mormon!!
 



 
THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHI
CHAPTER 2
 
  24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
  25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
  26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
  27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
  28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
  29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
  30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
  31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
  32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.
 

 TRUTH IGNORED

Smith, Young, Taylor, Pratt, Snow, Kimball, Woodruff ...

158 posted on 05/15/2010 4:01:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
I have said many times how sad for those who can not discern because they lack faith in the Holy spirit!

You have said ZERO times what was UNTRUE about PRESBYTERIANism that Joseph Smith claimed to have learned.

159 posted on 05/15/2010 4:03:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Saundra Duffy
He warns us by piercing our conscience.
 


 
"Joseph; I advise you not to go to that jail."
 
"Darn gnats!!"
 
 
"Joseph; I'm telling you to not to go to that jail."
 
"Flies are BAD today!!"
 
 
"Joseph; It ain't gonna be pretty if you ignore me and go to that jail!"
 
"Crummy mosquitos are EVERYWHERE!!!"
 
 
"Joseph!  Do NOT go to that jail!"
 
"And those bedbugs really savaged me last night, too!"
 
 
"JOSEPH!!  Wake up boy!   Do Not Go To That JAIL!!!"
 
"All right Sheriff - here I am, so give me a nice room while my Lawyer, my Advocate, my Comforter presents the LAW to the Judge and I am VINDICATED!!!"
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

160 posted on 05/15/2010 4:13:09 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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