I do object to Polygamy, but I have the intellectual honesty to admit that we worship the God of Polygamists (Abraham, Isaac and Jacob). So ... apparently, it must not be as evil as you say it is.
I happen to have an ancestor who was killed by Indians while immigrating to Idaho. A brother-in-law stepped in and married the widow as a second wife and raised her children as his own rather than letting her die on the prarie ... is this the kind of evil polygamy which you were referring to?
If polygamy is so completely evil, maybe you should try a religion who’s God has not supported polygamists in the past!
I’m just asking for a little intellectual honesty from you .... is that so hard?
IOW baby making polygamy where the husband is the linchpin.
A brother-in-law stepped in and married the widow as a second wife and raised her children as his own rather than letting her die on the prarie ... is this the kind of evil polygamy which you were referring to?
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Yes thats evil...
Are you saying if she had refused to be his mistress/concubine, he would have just left her and her children to die on the praire ???
Are you saying the only way he would help a widow and her children was to sin in polygamy ???
Are you saying he was not an honorable man ???...(There is nothing honorable about polygamy)
Are you saying he lusted after his neighbor’s wife ??? (Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife Exodus 20:17)
Are you saying he committed adultery ??? (Thou shalt not commit adultery Exodus 20:14)
You did say he married the sister of his wife ??? (You said brother-in-law not brother) (Do not take your wife’s sister as a rival wife and have sexual relations with her while your wife is living. Leviticus 18:18, Do not have sexual relations with your brother’s wife; that would dishonor your brother. Leviticus 18:16)
I’ve been planting and transplanting roses...
The Rose of Sharon hates polygamy aznd He never sanctioned the evil practice..
Are you honestly now telling me that the "pure religion" that the apostle James referenced -- of helping orphans & widows -- can only be accomplished by marrying them? (Really?) Your ancestor couldn't have supported this widow & orphans other than through the marriage route? Since when?
If polygamy is so completely evil, maybe you should try a religion who’s God has not supported polygamists in the past! I’m just asking for a little intellectual honesty from you .... is that so hard?
And I'm asking of you, Teppe, for a lot more intellectual consistency. If you think that God, by "supporting" Abraham and Jacob, that he was likewise endorsing polygamy...then...are you consistent?
I suppose you'll next tell us that God's approval of David meant that adultery can be institutionalized as well, eh? Or since God elevated Solomon, you're next going to advise we all take 700 wives & 300 concubines? Really? If not, why not?
Or what about Hosea? He was told by God to marry a prostitute, Gomer. And Gomer carried on her trade post marital covenant. Are you now telling all Mormon and Christian males that they should seek out active prostitutes, marry them, and let them carry on their trades in their homes? All because God told Hosea to do it -- which means, in your eyes, that God sanctions prostitution as a Mormon cottage industry? Really? Is that part of your "restoration" plans? Did the Christian church remove "many plain and precious things" from the New Testament -- additional "homes" carrying on Hosea and Gomer's tradition? And you're "out" to restore all of these "alternative" sexual traditions? Really?
I do object to Polygamy, but I have the intellectual honesty to admit that we worship the God of Polygamists (Abraham, Isaac and Jacob). So ... apparently, it must not be as evil as you say it is.
Come on Teppe. If this is your interpretation of polygamy, then do you likewise conclude that David's adultery "must not be as evil as you say it is"??? Do you likewise conclude that Gomer's prostitution activity occurring pre-and post marital covenant "must not be as evil as you say it is"? Or what about Solomon? Do you concluded that 700 wives & 300 concubines "must not be as evil as you say it is"? (Even though 1 Kings 11:3 & Nehemiah 13:26 & Deut. 17:17 tells us directly otherwise?)
You see, Teppe, your faulty interpretations are rooted in a faulty worldview. You concluded that first people need to do all they can do obedience wise, and then God comes and sanctions them, endorses them, sponsors them, etc. No. Jesus said, "For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners." (Matt. 9:13)
Jesus specifically became a son of man to "support" sinners, Teppe. And, yes, that apparently was a "missing lesson" by your Sunday School and Seminary teachers!!!
And why, Teppe, do you reduce God's Word to merely what I "say it is"??? What? You don't trust God's Word at face value? You have to attribute it to me to downplay it? You don't believe Deut. 17:17; Lev. 18:18; 1 Kings 11:3; Or Nehemiah 13:26?
What about the Book of Mormon, Teppe? Do you take that as God's Word? Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord. (Jacob 2:24)
Direct Q: Is polygamy "abominable" to your thus "saith the Lord" god or not?
If you can't answer these questions directly and truthfully and consistently, then, yes, I'm going to call out your lack of intellectual integrity. And simultanously, I am going to respectfully request for a third apology from you -- this time for calling into question my "intellectual honesty." (I still haven't received the second apology from you I respectfully requested)
Are you Intellectually Honest enough to admit that the BIBLE nowhere TELLS these dudes to be POLYGAMISTS?
I happen to have an ancestor who was killed by Indians while immigrating to Idaho. A brother-in-law stepped in and married the widow as a second wife and raised her children as his own rather than letting her die on the prarie
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Ya know I had at least TWO ancestors who were killed by Indians...
Neither of the widows were forsced to be the mistresses or concubines of their brother-in-law...
The men just stepped in and helped without propositioning the widow for sexual favors...
One widow took over the family business and ran the trading store by herself and remained unmarried for 35 yeasrs until her death...
Both families lived among the Indians..
Both women carried guns and were as good a shot as their husbands..
What was lacking in the blood of your ancestors that caused such a void of gumption ???
BTW my ancestors were Walloons and Lutherans respectively..