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To: magritte; restornu; Saundra Duffy
Meeker said. "With the Lord's help, we're equal to any task." As a Christian, can you agree with her on this last sentence?

You need to understand that on KEY Book of Mormon passages, some are congruent with Biblical teachings; others are downright hostile. (You know, it's kind of like the flim-flam man, who shows a stack of bills, and the first two on the top & bottom are genuine, but inside the rest are somethin' fierce counterfeit)

Mormon speakers are often able to reach into the first such "section" of BoM passages. So by my acknowledgement that the Meeker comment you pointed out is congruent with the Bible, so what? I mean, there's BoM passages of a similar nature congruent with the Bible. Here, let me show you a few:

...For if there be one among you that doeth good, he shall work by the power and gifts of God...by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ; and if by the grace of God ye are perfect in Christ, ye can in nowise deny the power of God. (Moroni 10:25,32)

Likewise, in the middle of 2 Nephi 1:10, Smith talked about "men...having power given them to do all things by faith..." (This one is a two-handed "compliment" about God -- first, He gave the power to operate, and secondly He is the object of faith rebounding back to that power He gave)

So in these verses? Who gets the credit? Who is glorified? God is!

But the great tenor of Mormon teaching focuses on comments by Spencer W. Kimball and other Lds "prophets" about lifting yourself up spiritually by your own bootstraps. (The word "bootstraps" is even commonly utilized). It's reflected in verses like Helaman 12:24 in the Book of Mormon, where Smith taught that "men might be brought to...good works, that they might be restored unto grace for grace, according to their works.

So here you have Mormon women, oft with a large household. They struggle like other families; but other families don't have...
...things like the genealogical weight upon their shoulders, where there's more focused obsession with the dead than with any people group ever to live!
...the temple ritualism on top of other spiritual expectations;
...temple recommend interrogations & interviews (some of the Q resemble interviews; others interrogations)
...then you add "normal" "Bible-motivated" activitiy like relief society work, etc.;
...and then on top of it all, they are told in Hel. 12:24 that what makes them "eligible" for God's grace is their works...

...That, my friend, is perfectionism. Thinking you can earn God's grace by way of works. It makes a disgrace of God's grace.

(It's no wonder Utah women have a reputation higher than other states for being on anti-depressants)

261 posted on 05/07/2010 12:26:08 AM PDT by Colofornian (Hmmm...no wonder Mormon women don't find female-oriented inspiration in the Book of Mormon!)
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To: Colofornian
(You know, it's kind of like the flim-flam man...

I really liked that film!

His name sounds so, so... so MORMON!

264 posted on 05/07/2010 1:34:16 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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