God forbid they go back to Latin...
Posted on 04/28/2010 4:55:05 AM PDT by markomalley
Our TLM is in Latin. My girls are part of the Latin choir and sang there a few weeks ago. My girls also study Latin with a tutor in my home. I have to tell you, eventhough I can pick words out that I hear in their lessons, during the TLM I was still totally lost. Part of it was that it was Palm Sunday and there were additions that were not covered in the guide.
Our Wednesday morning mass is a VII mass in Latin as the vernacular. That one I can follow. It’s really not hard. I don’t find it to be all that different whether I’m attending our Latin or Slovak VII masses. I do not speak either language.
Thanks for the compliment. We have a wonderful parish.
Sure hope you are right there. Insider information, huh?
Many thanks for the link. Unfortunately we don’t live in that pretty part of Florida where retirees go, but rather in what is commonly called the “redneck riviera.” Instead of elderly yankees we get crazed drunken college students and motorcycle devotees. And unfortunately the closest church I see on your site seems to be Jacksonville, and that is over five hours away.
Okay, now I’m going to show how much I know.
The Kyrie IS in Greek.
LOL! Sometimes my brain just slips.
I detest the additions. I don’t want to hear, “Jesus Lord who sees our inner souls and all our wants, Lord have Mercy.” as we heard in Northern MI last year. And I sure don’t want the cantor to sing it all as if I’m listening to a Light Rock station, then ‘bring us up’ because we can’t figure out when she is finally going to end her solo.
Sometimes if you head over to the Catholic Answers Forum and ask if anyone knows a more traditional parish, they may lead you to a gem that no one knows about.
I remember a time there where a man came in begging for a mass without innovations. Turned out that the hospital chapel near him had an African priest celebrating and it was as traditional as you get. He thought it was a miracle!
Considering that the missalettes are all published by national companies, they're not going to have a choice.
And every translation they came up with was rejected. Don't let any of this fool you. It was decided for ICEL how it was going to be and a deadline on implementation was set. Benedict is tired of the stalling.
Truth be told, only the two paragraphs of the Consecration really need to be exact. It does drive you nuts when they ad lib, though.
If you put your mind to it, it only takes to the next printing cycle. This isn't rocket science where you need test pilots and 3-4 years of engineering. The reason it's taken this long is foot dragging.
Thank goodness that Pope Benedict is getting tired of even the new ICEL’s shennaningans.
May it be as the Pope approves! Amen..........Yes, that was a prayer!
The music is supposed to be prayerful and reverent.......it’s not supposed to make people feel good.
Some of it — Such as the introits during Lent, should make us feel quite subdued.
Desdemona’s choir entered with the priest, singing these a capella, if I remember correctly. It sounded wonderful.
Vatican II also demands that Gregorian chant have pride of place (I have never heard this in a Catholic Church in my life) and that Latin be used (I have never heard that either). Vatican II is, I am afraid, irrelevant to the modern Church, at least where I live.
That's a shame. We started reintroducing the entrance antiphons and communios this Lent after singing chant Masses V (or whichever one is the Requiem) and VIII (Missa di Angeles) for various seasons for a number of years. The Missa di Angeles is actually the chant that's in the Roman Missal to be published next year - that all Catholic parishes are supposed to start using in the English speaking world.
The creativity and indifference of priests and others though are ubiquitous and I have little expectation of any change. As I have said, in fifteen years of going to the churches within driving distance of my house I have never once been to a Mass that was free from some form of abuse.
How much longer before your bishop retires? Here in the "Rome of the West", we do have the parishes that are magnets for the revolutionaries, but, at the same time, we have several parishes with Latin Masses, and many with by the book priests.
The priests and others responsible are not changing, and they care nothing about the words in the missal now. Changing them will only help people in areas where people care about such things in the first place, assuming such places exist. It looks awesome on paper, but I know I will never see it, just as I have never seen any of the things that Vatican II called for so many years ago. The Church doesn't care about that, and that is that. I wish I couldn't say that, but it is what it is, and there is no getting around it.
Now I'm getting depressed because this is not my experience at all. At my home parish, we had an associate for a long time who wouldn't use the second Eucharistic prayer because he thought it was an insult. I feel for you, being in such a place, but it doesn't describe every locale. We're actually pretty excited about this. We get to start chanting the Creed!
I join in your prayer.
Lent weeks 1-3. Laetare Sunday the organ was added back, as was the real Laetare chant, which was VERY warmly received among the more seasoned of the congregation. Five was a straight chant and Palm Sunday was "All Glory Laud and Honor". By the book.
There’s a TLM at the Tallahassee Cathedral.
God forbid they go back to Latin...
Why can't it do both?
FOOT-dragging? The England and American bishops have thrown themselves son the floor, screaming and hollering like three-year olds, trying to keep the implementation of rather small reforms. The same folks who did not hesitate to shove a whole new liturgy on the people forty years ago and now whining that the children of those same folks will find it too hard to change. Well, I have had it with this bunch. They had carte Blanche for all this times and they have royally screwed up almost everything.
Okay, okay. Foot dragging was not the right descriptor.
I think of him more as a despot.
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