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To: cothrige
Well, you're in a frustrating situation, aren't you. While no one can really "make" a bishop or priest "follow the rules" this translation is going to make a lot of the ad libbing and abuses a lot harder to pull off. It's just the way it's written.

Vatican II also demands that Gregorian chant have pride of place (I have never heard this in a Catholic Church in my life) and that Latin be used (I have never heard that either). Vatican II is, I am afraid, irrelevant to the modern Church, at least where I live.

That's a shame. We started reintroducing the entrance antiphons and communios this Lent after singing chant Masses V (or whichever one is the Requiem) and VIII (Missa di Angeles) for various seasons for a number of years. The Missa di Angeles is actually the chant that's in the Roman Missal to be published next year - that all Catholic parishes are supposed to start using in the English speaking world.

The creativity and indifference of priests and others though are ubiquitous and I have little expectation of any change. As I have said, in fifteen years of going to the churches within driving distance of my house I have never once been to a Mass that was free from some form of abuse.

How much longer before your bishop retires? Here in the "Rome of the West", we do have the parishes that are magnets for the revolutionaries, but, at the same time, we have several parishes with Latin Masses, and many with by the book priests.

The priests and others responsible are not changing, and they care nothing about the words in the missal now. Changing them will only help people in areas where people care about such things in the first place, assuming such places exist. It looks awesome on paper, but I know I will never see it, just as I have never seen any of the things that Vatican II called for so many years ago. The Church doesn't care about that, and that is that. I wish I couldn't say that, but it is what it is, and there is no getting around it.

Now I'm getting depressed because this is not my experience at all. At my home parish, we had an associate for a long time who wouldn't use the second Eucharistic prayer because he thought it was an insult. I feel for you, being in such a place, but it doesn't describe every locale. We're actually pretty excited about this. We get to start chanting the Creed!

52 posted on 04/28/2010 3:06:28 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Desdemona
Now I'm getting depressed because this is not my experience at all. At my home parish, we had an associate for a long time who wouldn't use the second Eucharistic prayer because he thought it was an insult.

Funny. Here in our parish it isn't that our priest won't use one particular Eucharistic prayer, but rather that there is only one that he will use. In the three years at this parish in which the confiteor has never been uttered, neither has any Eucharistic prayer other than III ever been used. It is as certain as death. I don't know if it is a bad thing, but that is how he does it anyway.

BTW, I am curious. Who did he think was insulted by that particular prayer?

67 posted on 04/28/2010 11:11:30 PM PDT by cothrige (Ego vero Evangelio non crederem, ni si me catholicae Ecclesiae commoveret auctoritas.)
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