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To: grand wazoo

Henry VIII did not end Catholic power in England. Nor did Martin Luther.

The name (if ther could be said to be a single name here) was GUTENBERG.


3 posted on 04/15/2010 7:02:09 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: MrEdd
Wrong.

Henry's separation and dissolution of the monasteries was much earlier than any official switch to Protestantism. Henry considered himself still Catholic and was Catholic in all but allegiance to the Pope. He didn't intend to Protestantise England, but his desire to marry Nan Bullen and fund his various spending sprees set in motion a number of unintended consequences. He should have paid more attention to the advisers his son was consorting with. That was where the real change began.

4 posted on 04/15/2010 7:10:13 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)T)
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To: MrEdd

Way wrong. Even the Spanish were out there printing Bibles (in Spanish) and there were other translations in other languages circulating. The question was always the legitimacy and correctness of the translations, as well as the canon: Luther had an entirely different idea of what should be printed and he and other Protestants tossed out the canonical books that they didn’t like.

What ended Catholic power in England was the ruthlessness of one individual in his crazed desire for a physical heir to carry on his course of erratic and arbitrary power, and the weakness of the bishops, who had grown fat and lazy after many centuries of a fairly peaceful existence.


6 posted on 04/15/2010 7:22:09 PM PDT by livius
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To: MrEdd
Johannes Gutenberg lived and died a faithful Roman Catholic.

Because he was a Catholic, his natural first impulse was to print the Bible he knew well and was raised on.

His invention enabled Ximenes Cardinal Cisneros - when Luther and Tyndale were children - to print the first critical polyglot edition of the Bible.

It is a myth that the European civil war known as "The Reformation" was due to some mythical "rediscovery" of the Scriptures which Christian Europe had always known, studied and revered.

The Reformation was a political struggle.

England was a Protestant society (before it became the atheist society it is today) solely because Henry VIII and the new nobility he created wanted to seize the lands and the properties of the clergy.

Henry VIII's opportunistic conversion and the opportunistic conversion of his hand-picked elite not only gratified him sexually with as many wives as he desired, but it made him and his court the 16th century equivalent of billionaires by seizing the real estate and possessions of tens of thousands of his subjects in an act of outright theft.

The most amusing thing about Protestant mythmaking is the notion that an absolute monarch with the power of life and death over his subjects unilaterally naming himself the divinely ordained master of the church in his own realm - thereby combining all political and religious authority in one man's iron fist - was a "liberating" break from "Popish tyranny."

7 posted on 04/15/2010 7:22:45 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: MrEdd
The name (if ther could be said to be a single name here) was GUTENBERG.

Actually, the names were Edward, Elizabeth, Cranmer, and William Cecil.

10 posted on 04/15/2010 8:23:49 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: MrEdd

The name was hubris or lust or greed. Perhaps all three in Henry’s case.


12 posted on 04/15/2010 8:27:53 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: MrEdd

A lot of people seem to think that Gutenberg and his printed Bibles were somehow Protestant. In fact, Johannes Gutenberg was Catholic, and the Catholic Church welcomed his new printed Bibles.


14 posted on 04/16/2010 12:07:45 AM PDT by iowamark
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