Posted on 04/03/2010 9:50:37 AM PDT by betty boop
And then you get a Bertrand Russell: "...all experience is likely to resemble the experience we know.
And so "Plan A" the above italics is rarely effective. LOL!!!
Have a blessed Easter, dear friends!
INDEED.
THX.
LUB
NDE is a red-flag, because people of other faiths who undergo this, report “events” and “sightings” in congruence with the intricacies of those particular faiths.
You are wrong. There was a very good case on the history channel not to long ago.
Anti-NDE’s ignore the truth.
Looks like a good book.
If we die with Christ in baptism, aren’t we also reaised with him?
A question that St. Paul addresses next week in the Sunday’s readings!
Read what I wrote earlier, again.
I beg to differ, James C. Bennett. NDEs are not falsified on this basis. For what they all seem to exemplify is an experience that is deeper than any particular human doctrine or particular cultural tradition can explain. [E.g., why the ubiquitous "tunnel?" Why the "light at the end of the tunnel?" Why the sightings of departed dear ones? Why meeting/seeing angels?] The reports seem to indicate a fairly restricted range of phenomena. The fact that such more-or-less uniform reports come from across cultures may constitute evidence of their universality.
Then again, you can't falsify NDEs by simply claiming that they have no real effect on the persons experiencing them. Often, NDEs have proved to be life-changing events for the persons undergoing them. If there is an effect of this nature, in nature, can its cause be fictitious?
Thanks for the ping BB!
btt
Yes. Absolutely. To me, this is THE central message of Easter.
PAX CHRISTI, dear sister!
May you and your dear ones have a blessed Easter!
May you and your dear ones have a blessed Easter, dear valkyry1!
INDEED.
DSouza rightly points out that modern physics has broken the bounds of human imagination with ideas of other dimensionsand even other universesand has required us to accept features of our own universe (at the subatomic level, for example.) that are entirely counterintuitive.
Our models of the universe are based on our understanding of what we can detect and measure. The perspective we are stuck with is defined by our bodily presence on this particular planet at this particular time, and is necessarily limited by that fact. Which gets me to thinking about Korzybsi's postulate, via (the great) S.I. Hayakawa:
"The map is not the territory."
And its corollary:
"The map is not the whole territory".
We've been discussing dark matter for a while, the topic not being one that can be reinforced much by most of the observed phenomena. A lot of the conjecture is off the map. But it's definitely worth pursuing since all that unexplained gravity out there must be coming from somewhere. Since I'm not particularly well educated, I need some help getting ahold of issues bigger than my pea brain can handle. So I ordered D' Souza's book, (one click ordering on Amazon can be dangerous) and await a fascinating read. Thanks for the post, and have a wonderful Easter.
The case on the history channel involved a woman who was getting a brain tumor removed. The doctors needed to stop her heart and brain function and pack her in ice.
They could only start the operation after brain waves stopped.
She was dead.
She completely describes the operation, who was in the room, what was being said, the tools used and what they looked like.
She said whe watched from outside of her body.
That is to say, a supposition of this type depends on man's experience being the measure of what can happen in the Universe. If Darwin was right, this to some degree depends on fitness that accrues by way of natural selection over very long periods of time. I gather the theory holds that man gets "smarter" over time. And thus the things man articulates today are "truer" than articulations of experience from the human past.
Notwithstanding, I gather you are not persuaded by the way this argument has been laid out for us, by the self-proclaimed experts of our age. [Me either, FWIW]
Also well and truly said was your observation:
We've been discussing dark matter for a while, the topic not being one that can be reinforced much by most of the observed phenomena. A lot of the conjecture is off the map. But it's definitely worth pursuing since all that unexplained gravity out there must be coming from somewhere.It seems nowadays all kinds of conjectural questions arise for which there is no immediate practical test by which they might be falsified/validated.
And so it seems to me best to keep an open mind, to follow the trail where it leads using one's own direct knowledge and experience as the test, not of reality directly, but of any purported theory of reality.
It's the "theories" that are "killing us."
Can we pull-eeze get back to reality, sometime soon?
Thank you so much for writing, Seven plus One! May God bless you and all of yours at this Eastertime!
Reality?
Oh, DEAR ME!
Now someone will CLAIM
to want to know
what
REALITY IS.
When everyone knows . . . it depends on what the
daffynition of
is
is.
Have a very blessed Easter, too, Betty, and thanks for the ping. :)
Thank you for sharing your insights, dearest sister in Christ!
Thank you for your beautiful essay-post, dearest sister in Christ!
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