Review of Life After Death: The Evidence

First Things ^ | April 2010 | Stephen M. Barr

[stfassisi]

Nice to see you up and about.

Same for you,although, I do feel that time spent in prayer and Adoration is certainly more fruitful than time spent on FR forum

[kosta50]

And a good evening to you both. Nice to see you up and about

Good to hear from you Mark and sfa. Happy Easter to both of you.

[kosta50]

The Book of Mormon is quite a piece of work, should you seek Restoration era fantasy

No argument there, Mark. Don't even get me started on the Book of Mormon.

[MarkBsnr]

Same for you,although, I do feel that time spent in prayer and Adoration is certainly more fruitful than time spent on FR forum

I am a poor soldier in the ranks of God and sometimes the give and take of the apologist might serve.

[MarkBsnr]

A fantastic piece of work. You’d never know that old Joe Smith pulled it out of his hat.

[stfassisi]

I am a poor soldier in the ranks of God and sometimes the give and take of the apologist might serve.

I think you serve very well,dear brother

[kosta50]

It certainly takes some imgaination. In fact, didn’t he use the magic hat to read the alleged Egyptian gold plates by putting his face in it? The rabbit hattrick takes on a whole new meaning...with Joe Smith.

[TheOldLady]

I have heard one argument against NDEs that went, “It’s just a kind hallucination at the end of life.”

And my first thought was, “From Whose kindness?”

[MarkBsnr]

Appreciate the sentiment. I am humbled by my betters on this forum and appreciate them considerably. The Catholic posters on FR (as well as the non Catholic ones) have significantly shaped my posting practice and content. I must thank all FR for influencing me, and certain specific Catholic posters very much so.

[stfassisi]

Mark,
Do you know why petronski is not posting here anymore,has he been banned or something ?

[MarkBsnr]

It certainly takes some imgaination. In fact, didn’t he use the magic hat to read the alleged Egyptian gold plates by putting his face in it? The rabbit hattrick takes on a whole new meaning...with Joe Smith.

After having been convicted of fraud with 'glass looking" (looking in a mirror and seeing hitherto unseen things), he hit on the idea of the Urim and Thummims (OT stones that allowed the high priest to get revelation from God) and put them into a top hat. The stones, when he put his face into the hat, gave him the story of the BOM. Of course, it wound up having hundreds of revisions, so it must have been his reception of the signal.

Those of us who have looked into the LDS history see the significance of such as Sidney Rigdon, who was first seduced by the Campbells pere et fils in the Church of Christ Campbellite movement, and then brought over to the LDS, where he wrote most of the real LDS theology, and then waited in the wings for first, Joe Smith to die, and then for the followers who broke away from Joe Smith Jr. and Brigham Young to come back. He was hiding out in Pittsburgh, assumed the new title, and was out of a job in less than 2 years. Sad little man.

And no closer to the Gospel of Jesus than the JWs or the Oneness Pentecostals.

[MarkBsnr]

Negative. He is taking a break.

He has shouldered a rather impressive burden for so long, that he needed to pull away for sanity’s sake. He is sorely missed; I will include him on this for when he logs on next. I know that I miss his comforting dialogue and his rather impressive defense of the Faith.

[stfassisi]

I know that I miss his comforting dialogue and his rather impressive defense of the Faith.

Agreed!

He is like the Saint Michael of FR

[xone]

Like a pro wrestler: He should be banned, in some states he is!

He'll be back!

[Future Snake Eater]

My last vision was what is heaven and hell going to be like.. I think we shared that one in past discussions..

Can you describe what you saw? I obviously missed the thread where you talked about it...

[Forest Keeper]

Of course, those picky folks out there who disdain "witness testimony" as any kind of reliable evidence will not be satisfied. Their fundamental presupposition seems to be that witness testimony is thoroughly unreliable. For one thing, the similarity of the NDE reports might actually indicate the existence of a conspiracy.... There's no pleasing these folks.

I honestly can't say one way or the other that I KNOW that NDEs are supernatural events. However, it would seem to me that if a Christian accepted the truth of the precedent Biblical accounts of actual resurrections besides Jesus:

"The widow's son by Elijah (1 Kings 17:21-24). The Shunammite's son by Elisha (2 Kings 4:32-35). A man whose body had been placed in Elisha's tomb (2 Kings 13:20-21). Lazarus by Jesus Christ (John 11:43-44). The widow’s son by Jesus (Luke 7:12-17). A number of people at the moment of the death of Jesus Christ (Matthew 27:51-53). The daughter of Jairus by Jesus (Mk 5:39-40). Eutychus raised back to life through Paul after he fell out of a third-floor window (Acts 20:9-12). Tabitha by Peter (Acts 9:36-43)." Source

... (and I certainly do), then it would seem much less of a stretch to accept the plausibility and possibility that NDEs are truly real and supernatural. In addition, I can't think of any discrediting scripture.

[Cvengr]

Many of those are resuscitation vice resurrection.

[hosepipe]

[ Can you describe what you saw? I obviously missed the thread where you talked about it... ]

No.... far too involved and detailed to glimpse it..
A glimpse would just wet the appetite for more.. as my experience shows..

Words just don't do the experience justice..
Could be a vision is in order for you.. pray about it..
Your vision may give you what you need..
Not what you want but what you need..

Which seems to be the point.. of a vision in the first place..

[Quix]

INDEED.

[Future Snake Eater]

No.... far too involved and detailed to glimpse it.. A glimpse would just wet the appetite for more.. as my experience shows..

No doubt. Do you still remember all the details, or does it fade away with time?

Could be a vision is in order for you.. pray about it..

You could be right...it would be nice...