Posted on 03/22/2010 2:46:52 PM PDT by greyfoxx39
I guess she never read the Koran then.
But IF it's true, someone needs to tell the muzzie men about that. They don't appear to have gotten the message.
Mormon women had veils they wore during part of the Temple ceremonies. And they were buried with them of course.
I think that’s the veil the husband puts over the face of his deceased wife ....
It can, but it doesn’t have to be anymore. There are several variable that can affect that but a husband is the first choice, iirc.
When I was in grad school, muslim women in gradschool that I interacted with would choose a logical compromise. They wore what I called the “jackie onassis getup”.
Big dark glasses and a sheer headscarf.
Seemed pretty intelligent choice to me. They get to keep their muslim modesty while still feeling westernized.
So it’s the husband who will resurrect the wife after he is. No wonder they’re so scared .... what an insane cult LDS is.
If the muslim in question is a cracker, it’s a sign of oppression. If she is a person of color, it is a beautiful reminder of the gorgeous mosaic of humanity.
I trust Mormons more - they haven’t killed anyone in more than 150 years.
So its the husband who will resurrect the wife after he is.
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Yes, the husband will pull the wife ‘through the veil’, which is also part of the temple ceremony.
I trust Mormons more - they havent killed anyone in more than 150 years.
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Brigham Young has only been dead for 130 years...
I trust Mormons more - they havent killed anyone in more than 150 years.
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RIIIIGHHHTTT.
Doesn’t matter - neither have the Baptists or Catholics or Presbyterians ... but I digress. Whenever you kill/murder in the name of G-d I bet He’ll be a bit testy with you .... “YOU DID WHAT IN MY NAME???!!!”
I Will Be a Second Mohammed
In the heat of the Missouri Mormon War of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim, I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword. So shall it eventually be with usJoseph Smith or the Sword! [1]
It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some strikingand troublingparallels. Consider the following.
Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated.
Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]
Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer. Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.
Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new spin. In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and charactersbut he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to correct the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the Inspired Version, in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is correcting it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.
As a part of their new scriptural spin, both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bibleby name.
Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.[3]
Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophets own superior revelation.
Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered infidels, pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.
Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.
Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammeds followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, believe Mohammeds son was to be their next leader. Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smiths followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smiths own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.
Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.
I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.[4]
In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smiths claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.
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[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230231. Fawn Brodies footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 579, 97129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.
[2] John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.89. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 67.
[3] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461.
[4] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408409.
Lucy Mack Smith tells about Joeys Tall Tales
we know Smith’s mother, Lucky Mack Smith, said about her 17 yo son, Joseph Smith, Junior
I trust Mormons more - they havent killed anyone in more than 150 years.
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How did that mormons aligning with Nazi Germany against the Jews work out ???
Just 60 through 75 years ago ???
Not true.
We believe that every person who has lived and died -- man, woman, or child -- will be resurrected. It is a free and unconditional gift from God, and cannot be withheld by anyone else.
Mormon men put a veil over the face of their dead wife in their coffins. At the resurrection (according to LDS belief) the man is resurrected first and >then< they remove the veil off the wifes face and shes resurrected. Thats why Mormon women will hold on to their husband no matter what ... no veil removal, no resurrection.
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Yes theres lots of mormon litertature aboput the wife being called out of her grave by her husband..
If he doesnt want to call her she just stays in the grave...
actually shes better off just staying in her grave...
In the mormon after life she woulod only be a sex slave in a mormon harem...
Not true as the LDS religion states? If you’re LDS you might want to check your “sacred books” ...
I am LDS, and I am fairly well acquainted with our standard works (the Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price). I have not found in them any hint that a man can determine whether his wife is resurrected.
If you have found such a doctrine in the LDS scriptures, please provide a reference.
I did not know that.
I don’t want to bore everyone here with a complete posting of the temple ritual of marriage which then gets into the resurrection part so here’s a good start. Read the paragraph halfway down.
http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/resurrectwife.htm
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