[FatherofFive]

Only is Christ was a liar.

The basic premise of Mormonism is that the Church Christ founded somehow needed a restoration. Unfortunately, this cannot be true, unless Christ is a liar.

“Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.” Mat 5:14-15

So here Christ says His Church will be visible.

“And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” Mat 6:18

Here Christ says his Church will not be destroyed.

“I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.” John 16:12-13

“But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.” 1Tim 3:15

Here Christ says, and Paul reaffirms, that the Church will always teach the TRUTH.

Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." Mat 28:18-20

Again, here Jesus assures us that He is always with us, to the very end.

So Christ says His Church will not be destroyed or fall away from him, that the Holy Spirit will guide the Church to always teach the Truth, and He will always be with us. Yet Mormons believe the Church went into apostasy.

The only reason for a ‘restoration’ is that Christ lied.

So when, exactly, did the Church stop teaching the Truth and go into apostasy? Should be an easy question.

[ejonesie22]

Rest easy, their “christ” was just a man, brother of Satan, one of a panel of gods in committee whose atonement was in a garden not on the Cross.

The impostor and his “flock” claiming to be the real thing, there is your lie.

[FatherofFive]

is = if. “Only if Christ was a liar.”

[JAKraig]

So when, exactly, did the Church stop teaching the Truth and go into apostasy? Should be an easy question.

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Apparently when Martin Luther posted his thesis on the church door.

[Tennessee Nana]

And we know Jesus did not lie...

Because Jesus is God...

And God does not lie...

God is not a man, so He does not lie. He is not human, so He does not change his mind. Has He ever spoken and failed to act? Has He ever promised and not carried it through? Numbers 23:19

[Zman516]

No, Christ was not a liar.

In Matthew 16 Verses 13 through 17, Jesus was quizzing His disciples as to who they thought He was. In verse 16 Peter answered and said "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the Living God". In verse 17 Jesus answered and said unto him Blessed art thou Simon Bar-Jona, for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but My Father which is in heaven.

So, in verse 18 Jesus was referring to revelation from God as the "Rock" on which the Church was built, not Peter himself.

Ironically, the only way one could accuse Jesus of lying is if he did mean Peter was the rock. For in the coming centuries after Peter was killed, the "gates of hell" certainly did prevail against the church. So much so that it ignited the Protestant reformation as an attempt to fix the corruption.