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'Good Friday' and 'Easter Sunday' are not Christian
'The Lord's Day in the Covenant of Grace' ^ | 15 March 2010 | Gerhard Ebersöhn

Posted on 03/14/2010 8:47:22 PM PDT by Gerhard Ebersöhn

Any theory about on which days of the week our Lord Jesus Christ was crucified and resurrected stands or falls by its answering for the day He was BURIED on: "That Day great day sabbath" of the passover, Abib 15, from its BEGINNING "EVENING HAVING HAD COME", Mk15:42 Mt 27:57 Lk23:50 Jn19:31,38 -- UNTIL its ENDING having begun "MID-AFTERNOON" "by the time of the Jews' prepararions" "the Sabbath (Seventh Day of the week) drawing near", Lk23:54 Jn19:42 -- "That Day having been The Preparation which is The Fore-Sabbath" : the Sixth Day of the week, 'Friday'.

Any theory about on which days of the week our Lord Jesus Christ was crucified AND BURIED and resurrected stands or falls by its answering for 'the God-given and therefore eschatological IMPERATIVE WHOLENESS' (Lohmeyer's words) of the "three days and three nights" "three days" on "the third day" of which "He rose from the dead ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES" 1Cor15:3-4 the passover-Scriptures of both the Old and the New Testaments.

I have written more extensively and in depth on the subject than anyone else in the history of Christianity from the standpoint of a Reformed Protestant Christian believer who fully and unconditionally confesses the Apostolic Confession of Faith, and in particular believes the absolute Divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ before, during, and after He became Man and died, and was Buried, and rose again unto the eternal salvation and life of the Elect of God.

My books, articles and conversations may be found at http://www.biblestudents.co.za. E-mail me at biblestudents@imaginet.co.za


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To: Gerhard Ebersöhn
For my own sake and selves, let me say here I am a ‘Dopper’, that is, a Boer (Afrikaner) of Reformed Protestant Christian Faith and persuasion. I dissociate me from ANY who do not believe and confess the eternal and full Divinity (and or ‘Deity’) and Godhead of Jesus Christ with the Father and the Holy Spirit.

May you have a wonderful journey on the wide road of life.

May you one day come too know the
ONE true Elohim of Abraham, Isaac and Israel.

May you seek His face in His Holy Word.

Psalm 146:3 Do not trust in princes,
In mortal man,
in whom there is no salvation.
If you seek Him in His Word and
call on His NAME, you will be saved.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
121 posted on 04/02/2010 6:13:03 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Gerhard Ebersöhn
U-2012>There seems to be a lot of confusion
among those who think of themselves as Christians.
Lots of paganism was promulgated from the Council of Nicea.

YHvH's Commanded Feasts were rejected and replaced by pagan feasts.

From this rejection of the Holy Word of G-d,
all forms of man made tradition rose up.

Yah'shua sacrificed himself as the Korban Pesach
as a covering for all of our sins.

All sin was removed on the day of Hag Matzoh.

He rose from the dead on the YHvH commanded Feast of First Fruits.
Which is the day following the Shabbat following Pesach.
Easter and Good Friday and all the other trappings
come from rejecting the Holy Word of G-d and
replacing it with man-made tradition as modern day Pharisees.
shalom

Please write in English, if you don’t mind ....

I do write in English.

It seems English is not fully within your grasp.

I would recommend going forward, that you complete
your study in English before you consider this endeavor.

May you come to know the ONE true Elohim of Abraham, Isaac and Israel.

He can be found in His Holy Word.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
122 posted on 04/02/2010 6:28:18 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Jedidah

If you study ancient the Hebrew language, and the culture, you will know that the numbers themselves were literally part of the alphabet, and had symbolic meanings-—AND, they used numbers loosely (Luke in Acts speaks of the enslavement in Egypt as “four hundred years” (Acts 7:6) in one place and as “about four hundred-fifty years” (Acts 13:20) in another place.

Was Luke contradicting himself? A computer would say so...but scripture is written in common every-day conversational language. In the same way we talk about America’s founders of “200 years ago” (even though Washington, Franklin, Samuel Adams, and many other founders were long dead in 1810) the biblical writers used numbers. Hence in Jesus’ case, any part of a day, is considered “a day. Friday afternoon...is Friday. Saturday-day, is Saturday. Sunday morning (from Sat. sunset through the night) is Sunday. Three days—by their common sense, common usuage definition—of 1st Century Hebrew culture.

Does a computer think so, since 72 full hours had not elapsed? Neither the writer nor the readers are computers though....nor are they precision-enslaved, industrial era, time-driven, 21st Century humans...


123 posted on 04/02/2010 10:06:50 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: Cvengr; All
Jesus also directly predicted he would be, during the three days, "in the heart of the earth," (Mt 12:40) so logically, we should expect a tunnel from the burial cave down the the center of the Earth. (How long would it take to go the several thousand miles down to earth's core?) So we should look for lava tubes or something like that in the area of Jerusalem to find out how Jesus got down into the center of the earth....

Oh wait, maybe He was speaking in symbolic and spiritual language, and both He and His listeners knew (later, at least) what He meant very clearly.....

124 posted on 04/02/2010 10:20:57 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

Jesus IS God, and He proved it in the Resurrection.

May you come to know this truly—and abandon the pseudo sprirituality of the “sons of Abraham,” in the misuse of the Hebrew language.

“do not begin to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.” — (Jesus, the Christ in Luke 3:8)

1. John 1:1 - “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
1. John 1:14 - “And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.”
2. John 5:18 - “For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.”
3. John 8:24 - “I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins.”
1. Note: In the Greek, “He” is not there—thus Jesus is calling Himself Yahweh.
4. John 8:58 - “Jesus said to them, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.’”
1. Exodus 3:14 - “And God said to Moses, ‘I AM WHO I AM’; and He said, Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
5. John 10:30-33 - “I and the Father are one.” 31 The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32 Jesus answered them, “I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?” 33 The Jews answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.”
6. John 20:28 - “Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
7. Col. 2:9 - “For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form.”
8. Phil. 2:5-8 - “Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 Therefore also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those who are in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
9. Heb. 1:8 - “But of the Son He says, “Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom.”
1. Quoted from Psalm 45:6, “Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever; a scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Thy kingdom.”


125 posted on 04/02/2010 11:01:46 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: woollyone; Jedidah; bobjam
In order for Jesus’s promise of 3 days and 3 nights to have been fulfilled accurately, the crucifixion must have occurred on Thursday.

Yah'shua rose on the YHvH commanded Feast of First Fruits
which begins at evening of Saturday, after the end of Shabbat.

One full day before would begin at evening of Friday.

Two full days before would begin at evening of Thursday.

Three full days before would begin at evening of Wednesday.

Thus the Crucifixion would have occurred on Wednesday.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
126 posted on 04/02/2010 11:11:15 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: AnalogReigns
Jesus IS God, and He proved it in the Resurrection. May you come to know this truly—and abandon the pseudo sprirituality of the “sons of Abraham,” in the misuse of the Hebrew language.

Yes; Yah'shua is YHvH.

There is only ONE YHvH.

Mar 12:29 Jesus answered,
"The foremost is,
'HEAR, O ISRAEL!
YHvH OUR Elohim IS ONE YHvH;
Yah'shua's NAME means YHvH is my salvation.

An illuminated word study of salvation in the Tanach will demonstrate this.

There are not three gods as defined by the Roman "church"

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
127 posted on 04/02/2010 11:38:08 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: SoConPubbie
Hell, as supported by New Testament Scripture, is the punishment and final and eternal resting place of those who refuse to submit their wills to God 100% and embrace the gosple of Repentence and Faith.

Hell, i.e., Hebrew "sheol", Greek "hades", should all mean the same thing, right? But the current meaning of "hell" is far from the translation of the Hebrew and Greek meanings.

I agree that "hell", i.e., "hades", is the destiny of all the unsaved; and is the "second death" as said in Revelation 20:14-15. Seeing as how "death and hell (hades)" are thrown into the lake of fire to be no more - reinterated in Revelation 21:8 - and that when one is "dead" one is dead. One should remember that our God is spoken of as a "consuming fire" - and what gets thrown into a fire gets burned up. In fact, the very strong terms Jesus used to portray the punishment of the unsaved cannot be interpreted to mean that the unsaved suffer eternally in fire as is portrayed by the meaning of "hell" in the minds of most today. Both "sheol" and "hades" means the place of the "dead", not the living. Read this!

128 posted on 04/02/2010 12:00:26 PM PDT by Ken4TA
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To: Gerhard Ebersöhn
I did answer what I mean, ‘hell’ means. If one read Jonah you see first of all he did not die; he lived through what is translated there in the KJV as “hell” which is to live separated from God: “under the foundations of the mountains” e.g.. It is FIGURATIVE language for his very REAL experience. But his was, 1) not willingly like Jesus’ was; but by force; and 2) Jonah’s was not FULLY like Jesus’ was in that Jesus ACTUALLY DIED DEATH, “the second death” which is the REAL “wages of / for sin”. THIS was Jesus’ TRUE LIVING THROUGH OF HELL: Jesus’ experience of and on Crucifixion day from its inception until He “gave the spirit”.

Yes, I will agree that the KJV translates "sheol" and "hades" with the English term "hell".

But: "Actually Died Death"? How does on "die death"? "The second death"? Jesus died his first death, sinless, thusly not subject to the "second death". "This was Jesus' TRUE LIVING THROUGH OF HELL"? Really? Where do you find that said in the Bible? "...he lived through what is translated there in the KJV as “hell” which is to live separated from God"? Where in the Bible do you find these things?!?!!??

I continue to ask you what do you mean by "hell" - and as of yet not one response directed to that question! If you can't define what you mean, just admit it, and then you can call it quits.

Exegesis does not go along with your statements in most of your posts....sorry.

129 posted on 04/02/2010 2:36:00 PM PDT by Ken4TA
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To: AnalogReigns

No, the spirit and soul may be separated. Hades is spoken of in Scripture in locative language. It might not be fully physical as in a giant WonderCave, but is nonetheless communicable as a location between thinking souls with very real existence.


130 posted on 04/02/2010 8:55:57 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Liberty Valance

Happy Easter!

131 posted on 04/02/2010 8:58:58 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Ken4TA

Hades or the Greek underworld is spoken about in four senses in Scripture.

1) Abraham’s Bosom, also known as Paradise or the abode of OT believers after the first death prior to the Resurrection. Separated from the Torments by a great gulf fixed.

2) The Torments, or the place or abode of all unbelievers after the first death prior to the Great White Throne Judgment.

3) Tartarus, or a prison for some fallen angels.

4) The Abyss, location of criminal fallen angels, from which some will be released at the middle of the Great Tribulation.


132 posted on 04/02/2010 9:27:02 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr
Hades or the Greek underworld is spoken about in four senses in Scripture. 1) Abraham’s Bosom, also known as Paradise or the abode of OT believers after the first death prior to the Resurrection. Separated from the Torments by a great gulf fixed.

2) The Torments, or the place or abode of all unbelievers after the first death prior to the Great White Throne Judgment.

3) Tartarus, or a prison for some fallen angels.

4) The Abyss, location of criminal fallen angels, from which some will be released at the middle of the Great Tribulation.

Sorry, but everyone of the above are merely the opinions of man. You do not find what you said in the Bible.

133 posted on 04/03/2010 5:16:52 AM PDT by Ken4TA
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To: Ken4TA

Interesting that you think Abraham’s Bosom is just and opinion of man, or that a grat gulf fixed is just an opinion of man, or that the Abyss is just an opinion of man, or that the place where some fallen angels are kept chained are just an opinion of man.

It might help to search Scripture and make a list of all the verses in which the underworld are referenced and take notes as to the occupants and distinctions from other portions thereof, by which even the soulish man is able to learn about their existence. Or simply refuse to accept what God provides and their location might become a bit more intuitive of those men who choose not to form an “opinion”.


134 posted on 04/03/2010 6:51:45 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr
It might help to search Scripture and make a list of all the verses in which the underworld are referenced and take notes as to the occupants and distinctions from other portions thereof, by which even the soulish man is able to learn about their existence.

I have spent 35+ years studying the meaning of the Hebrew "sheol", the Greek "hades" and the English term "hell" along with its accumulation of descriptions over the centuries. The OT depicts "sheol" as the abode of the dead, the grave. Never does it depict those in it as being tormented or tortured, in fact, it is only the dead who go there - both the righteous and unrighteous! The NT "hades" depicts the same as it is the translation of the Hebrew term "sheol".

1) Abraham’s Bosom, also known as Paradise or the abode of OT believers after the first death prior to the Resurrection. Separated from the Torments by a great gulf fixed.
2) The Torments, or the place or abode of all unbelievers after the first death prior to the Great White Throne Judgment.

Many read Luke 16:19-31 as THE proof of (to use your words, TORMENT), everlasting punishment for the unrighteous, and also Paradise for the righteous - with a gulf fixed between them. Read the two links about this: Article One. Article Two. You should learn something from them if you really read and investigate what they say!

3) Tartarus, or a prison for some fallen angels.
4) The Abyss, location of criminal fallen angels, from which some will be released at the middle of the Great Tribulation.

Tartarus is not "hell" by any means. It is simply the abode of those angels who are confined until Judgment Day. Your No. 3 is wrong in one part - it is for ALL fallen angels. No. 4 is simply an opinion of man, and never found in the Bible.

And for your enjoyment, here is another article worth your time reading. A word about Paradise. Again, You should learn something from this article if you really read and investigate what it says!

Thusly, my last words in my previous post to you stands. "You do not find what you said in the Bible."

135 posted on 04/03/2010 5:47:27 PM PDT by Ken4TA
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To: Ken4TA

Keep going.

Post 135 does manifest the learning curve of somebody who has spent perhaps 30 minutes to 2 hrs on the topic depending upon their soulish IQ. In so doing, rather than taking the information provided through faith in Christ, so that God the Holy Spirit might further sanctify the soul of the believer in fellowship, either a believer or unbeliever out of fellowship can study the issue in soulish arrogance only to further scar their thinking.

Thank you for verifying that indeed such locations are spoken of in Scripture, contrary to the meaning conveyed by an arrogant soul in post 133.


136 posted on 04/03/2010 8:07:58 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr
Post 135 does manifest the learning curve of somebody who has spent perhaps 30 minutes to 2 hrs on the topic depending upon their soulish IQ. In so doing, rather than taking the information provided through faith in Christ, so that God the Holy Spirit might further sanctify the soul of the believer in fellowship, either a believer or unbeliever out of fellowship can study the issue in soulish arrogance only to further scar their thinking.

Hmmm...your rather curious statement portrays someone who hasn't been able to rebuke the three articles posted for reference to the statements of the argument made. Now if you would actually read those articles, and examine in detail what is said...ah, skip it, you portray someone who hasn't the ability to address a good argument.

Thank you for verifying that indeed such locations are spoken of in Scripture, contrary to the meaning conveyed by an arrogant soul in post 133.

Hmmm....and it was you that was the "arrogant soul (being)" that wrote post 133 :-) Thanks for the admission - it's appreciated.

137 posted on 04/03/2010 8:35:48 PM PDT by Ken4TA
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To: Ken4TA; Cvengr
Do not make this thread "about" individual Freepers. That is also a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

138 posted on 04/03/2010 8:37:30 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Ken4TA
No. 4 is simply an opinion of man, and never found in the Bible.

Funny how some will miss Rev 9, even after 35 yrs of study. Ever read about a fellow named Abaddon? (also referenced over 5 times in the OT. Rev is in the NT BTW.)

139 posted on 04/03/2010 8:51:59 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Religion Moderator

Thanks
Understood and will comply.


140 posted on 04/03/2010 8:52:56 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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