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Heretically Correct (Catholic deacon accused of homophobia for his sermon on marriage)
NC Register ^ | March 11, 2010 | Pat Archibold

Posted on 03/11/2010 1:44:22 PM PST by NYer

The culturally corrosive effects of political correctness manifest themselves in many ways.  Perhaps one of the more deleterious effects of this social tyranny is self-imposed silence when it comes to the truth.  Many know the truth but seek to avoid confrontation in a world that abhors enlightening argument.  Rather, certain opinions are deemed offensive by those who are the designated deemers of such things.  End of story.

Most of us have learned to shrug off such things, we cannot single-handedly change our culture and there is life to be lived, so we move on.  But the time for shrugging may be over.  When political correctness does not just demand silence for the truth, but the active promotion of heresy, this is something no Christian should abide.  This is never more true than for those who are charged with preaching God’s truth.

Reverend Frank Wainwright, 48, a Deacon at St Gregory’s Church in Cheltenham, Glos. UK, during a sermon on marriage, made the remark in a humorous aside that “Marriage is between Adam and Eve - not Adam and Steve.”  For this the Deacon has been accused of ‘homophobia’ after five complaints by members of the congregation.

The protesting parishioners now demand heretical correctness.  It seems that in our world of ever expanding ‘basic human rights’, paramount among them is the right never to be offended by the truth. While it’s one thing to expect this when asked by your wife if she looks heavy in her new dress, it is quite another to demand heresy from your church.

This is the thing about the Catholic Church, you don’t have to be a member.  If it is heresy you want, there is another church right down the street that has plenty of it for the asking and wonderfully colorful vestments for Father Patricia as well.  You have your choice.  The heretically correct Church of the Androgynous Savior or the Catholic Church.  But know, if you choose the Catholic Church, you reject your ‘basic human right’ never to be offended by the truth at the door.

Deacon Wainwright, for his part, sorta sticks by the truth if not the way he said it.

I have plenty of gay friends and I have no problem at all with them but as a Catholic minister I must preach that marriage is between a man and woman and nothing else.

I’m sure there are gay members of my congregation and I imagine it’s one of them who complained but it certainly wasn’t the thrust of my sermon.

I can see why people are upset by the comment because it was flippant. I totally accept that I have caused offence and I am apologising for that.

Don’t ever apologize for the truth. 


TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: homosexual; homosexualagenda; marriage; uk

1 posted on 03/11/2010 1:44:22 PM PST by NYer
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From the original article:

A spokesman for the Gloucestershire Gay and Lesbian Community group said Rev Frank Wainwright's words were ''poorly chosen'' but accepted his apology.

He said: ''I can understand why he has said it as there are canonic references.

''However, we are living in a different world and one would hope that anyone who is in a loving relationship would be accepted.

''In this country, it is legal for people of the same sex to enter into a civil partnership and that is not necessarily a religious relationship.

''But we appreciate he has apologised for the remark and we would not want to stir anything up.''

Catholic ping!

2 posted on 03/11/2010 1:46:04 PM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: NYer

“However, we are living in a different world and one would hope that anyone who is in a loving relationship would be accepted.”

Denial is a river in Egypt. Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Romans and several other chapters and passages of scripture say this is a sin. Our Lord said “that heaven and earth will pass away but my words will never pass away” These people better start getting their head together or it is going to provoke a reaction.


3 posted on 03/11/2010 1:55:38 PM PST by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: NYer
"However, we are living in a different world and one would hope that anyone who is in a loving relationship would be accepted."

They won't. Period. That's the whole issue. God has made it clear that he will not accept an active, unrepentent homosexual. No homosexual will inherit the Kingdom of God.(1 Cor. 6:9-10). Telling people otherwise is incredibly cruel. Tell them good news. Tell them there is a savior, named Jesus Christ, who has redeemed them before God if they will only repent and accept him as Lord. Now THAT'S compassion.

4 posted on 03/11/2010 1:59:04 PM PST by circlecity
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To: NYer
Is God homophobic? If you believe that the Scriptures are God-breathed, then God must be a homophobe. He was the one that condemned all forms of homosexuality. God's Word does not change with the times. If what you speak is what God speaks, then you should never apologize. Is this deacon more concerned about offending people or offending God?
5 posted on 03/11/2010 2:00:24 PM PST by Nosterrex
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To: Nosterrex
"If what you speak is what God speaks, then you should never apologize. Is this deacon more concerned about offending people or offending God?"

The question pretty much answers itself......ya think?

6 posted on 03/11/2010 2:03:53 PM PST by circlecity
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To: NYer
Don’t ever apologize for the truth.

Apologize for being a bore. Surely they've excavated a cuneiform tablet with the idiotic Adam and Steve line.

7 posted on 03/11/2010 2:06:21 PM PST by Tax-chick (Aw, CUSSWORDS!!!)
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To: NYer

If parishioners feel that way, they are in the wrong church.


8 posted on 03/11/2010 2:11:15 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: NYer

Pingout later.


9 posted on 03/11/2010 2:16:21 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: NYer

The government (or anyone else) has no right to dictate Church teaching or orthodoxy.


10 posted on 03/11/2010 2:17:54 PM PST by rbosque (11 year Freeper! Combat Economist.)
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To: circlecity
That's the whole issue.

No it's not! They cannot .... ahem ... reproduce.

11 posted on 03/11/2010 2:24:49 PM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: rbosque

I went to a wedding at my parish. There were two Lesbians sitting across the aisle from me. The one in the suit kept throwing head head back and rolling her eyes as our pastor spoke about marriage. Some people should just show up for the party. And she practically had her head down the front of the bridesmaids dresses as they walked by. Especially the early developed 15 year old.


12 posted on 03/11/2010 2:26:40 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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I hear you. Those people should just show up at the reception. It’s sad how we make up rules for ourselves and disregard the Commandments. It happens in my family too and it infuriates me.


13 posted on 03/11/2010 2:47:19 PM PST by rbosque (11 year Freeper! Combat Economist.)
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...during a sermon on marriage, made the remark in a humorous aside that “Marriage is between Adam and Eve - not Adam and Steve.” For this the Deacon has been accused of ‘homophobia’ after five complaints by members of the congregation.

Had I been the one that took the "complaints", my response would have been: "The ELCA is just down the street a bit; they currently have quite a few seats available."

14 posted on 03/11/2010 3:14:13 PM PST by aSeattleConservative
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Courage is desperately needed; not kowtowing to perversion or apologizing for telling the truth. People who kowtow, apologize, placate or otherwise act like neutered frightened rabbits are part of the problem.

15 posted on 03/11/2010 3:45:17 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: wagglebee; scripter

Ooopsss - now another part is doubling itself.

Are you having this problem or is it just me???


16 posted on 03/11/2010 3:55:22 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: DarthVader
Denial is a river in Egypt.

Correction: Denial is not a river in Egypt.

17 posted on 03/11/2010 8:37:14 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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Go stuff it in your sock SA.


18 posted on 03/11/2010 8:38:18 PM PST by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: NYer
... the time for shrugging may be over.

May be? MAY be?

19 posted on 03/12/2010 10:36:13 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Liberals love the poor so much they came up w/ a plan to create millions more of them. - Ann Coulter)
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To: NYer
Can anyone identify any society which has endured for 50 years or more while regarding a male-male or female-female union as the full equivalent of a male-female marriage? Refusal to accept something that has never been generally accepted by anyone anywhere is not bigotry.
20 posted on 03/12/2010 4:07:53 PM PST by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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