Posted on 02/15/2010 9:07:17 AM PST by GonzoII
The Scenario:
Ever have one of those days when you’re feeling full of energy and vigor? I mean, you’re feeling just obnoxiously happy? Well, this is one of those days.
Driving home from work, you switch on the radio to see what’s happening, and you tune in to a local Protestant radio station just in time to hear a preacher speaking against various Catholic doctrines concerning Mary. The show is called Pastor Bob’s Bible Hour. Pastor Bob proclaims: “Jesus knew Catholics would come along and begin to worship His mother and call her perpetual virgin and absurd things like that. But the Bible says: ‘Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And are not His brethren James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? And are not all of His sisters with us?’ (Matt. 13:55-56a). And isn’t it sad, my brothers and sisters?”
Pastor Bob goes on to say: “Jesus dealt with these Mary worshippers in His day. In Luke 11:27-28, the Bible says, ‘A woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts that You sucked!” But He said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”’”
On a normal day you would probably just listen, take a few mental notes and drive on. But not this time. You’re feeling a little bit too saucy. You take the first exit you see and head for a phone. This is just one more reason why you need to buy that cell phone you’ve been talking about getting.
Step One:
(Excerpt) Read more at envoymagazine.com ...
Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid: for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. (DRV)
Glad to hear the Protestants getting onboard. We Catholics don’t like Mary worshippers either.
There’s also the “off” button.
Son, behold your Mother, Mother, behold your Son.
This may be the message board equivalent of pulling a grenade pin. It ain’t going to be pretty.
Let the reformation wars begin ...
SnakeDoc
In all Christian belief it is the case that the Hebrew prophecies of a "virgin with child" refer to Mary and Jesus.
If you accept that as being a reasonable thing to happen, then it's reasonable to accept that both lived normal human lives ~ while carrying out God's commandments.
Again, if you can accept the "virgin with child" prophecy it's just as reasonable to believe they were denied normal human lives.
One of those yin/yan things again.
Without being able to interview Mary at this time (and it does seem no one has taken the opportunity to do so whenever she makes an appearance), the very secondary issues of how she lived will remain a mystery ~
Deceiving headline — Catholics do not “worship” the Blessed Virgin Mary.
Do we honor the one that is blessed or the one that blesses ?
Do you think Mary should ever be classified as the Co-Redemptrix?
fishtank - former RCC member
Here’s what I don’t understand about Protestants.
If you invited a friend to your home for dinner, and this person said, “Well, you know, I don’t really like your mother.” Are you sure you would take this person to your home?
Growing up Catholic, I can testify that some most certainly do.
"It is an article of faith that Mary is Mother of the Lord and still a virgin .... Christ, we believe, came forth from a womb left perfectly intact." Martin Luther, Works of Luther, Vol. 11, pp. 319-320, Vol. 6, p. 510
"There have been certain folk who have wished to suggest from this passage [Matthew 1:25] that the Virgin Mary had other children than the Son of God, and that Joseph had then dwelt with her; but what folly this is! For the gospel writer did not wish to record what happened afterwards; he simply wished to make it clear Joseph's obedience and to show that Joseph had been well and truly assured that it was God who had sent His angel to Mary. He had therefore never dwelt with her nor had he shared her company .... And besides this Our Lord Jesus Christ is called the first-born. This is not because there was a second or a third, but because the gospel writer is paying regard to the precedence. Scripture speaks thus of naming the first-born whether or not there was any question of the second." John Calvin, Sermon on Matthew 1:22-25, 1562.
"I firmly believe that Mary, according to the words of the gospel, as a pure Virgin brought for us the Son of God and in childbirth and after childbirth forever remained a pure, intact Virgin." Ulrich Zwingli, Zwingli Opera, Vol. 1, p. 424.
Zebedee and Salome begat James and John
Cleophas(Alphaeus) and Mary(the other Mary from Matthew 27:56, 61, 28:1 and John 19:25) begat James(the less), Jo'ses and Jude
The Holy Spirit and the Blessed Virgin Mary begat Jesus The Christ
I like Mary.
She’s the mother of my Savior and Lord. She raised him well and probably taught him very much of the Scriptures, since he had emptied himself, so that he had to learn as a human, just like us.
I just asked: “Should Mary be classed as the Co-Redemptrix?”
I did not say anything against Mary, so please don’t put words in my mouth or thoughts in my heart.
That’s really not fair.
Why do all the critics focus on this non-dogmatic “Co-Redemptrix” label?
Do you understand the Co-Redemptrix is Latin and means the woman with the Redeemer when translated to English?
John 19:26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! 27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.
In context who was that written to?
Christ as her eldest son had the responsibility for his widowed mother. He kept all the law perfectly.. here He kept the law to honor your mother and father, by honoring His mother and making provision for her care..
This has no deeper meaning, no theology or doctrine to be found in those words
the = that
Well, if He kept the law perfectly, then He would have left His Mother to those "brothers and sisters" that the "Reformed" insist He had.
Very interesting, but does it really matter? Sexual relations inside of marriage are not sinful. Then again, Mary could have been a perpetual virgin. Either way, this does not affect His word. To support my point: The Bible itslef can be argued to support both views as was shown by the article. If it was important, wouldn’t the Bible be clear on the topic? Or did Jesus just forget to mention it directly? /sarc
Still, interesting stuff...
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