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To: GonzoII
Linguistic literalists like "Pastor Bob" are far too ignorant to realize that they are in the minority.

"It is an article of faith that Mary is Mother of the Lord and still a virgin .... Christ, we believe, came forth from a womb left perfectly intact." Martin Luther, Works of Luther, Vol. 11, pp. 319-320, Vol. 6, p. 510

"There have been certain folk who have wished to suggest from this passage [Matthew 1:25] that the Virgin Mary had other children than the Son of God, and that Joseph had then dwelt with her; but what folly this is! For the gospel writer did not wish to record what happened afterwards; he simply wished to make it clear Joseph's obedience and to show that Joseph had been well and truly assured that it was God who had sent His angel to Mary. He had therefore never dwelt with her nor had he shared her company .... And besides this Our Lord Jesus Christ is called the first-born. This is not because there was a second or a third, but because the gospel writer is paying regard to the precedence. Scripture speaks thus of naming the first-born whether or not there was any question of the second." John Calvin, Sermon on Matthew 1:22-25, 1562.

"I firmly believe that Mary, according to the words of the gospel, as a pure Virgin brought for us the Son of God and in childbirth and after childbirth forever remained a pure, intact Virgin." Ulrich Zwingli, Zwingli Opera, Vol. 1, p. 424.

Zebedee and Salome begat James and John

Cleophas(Alphaeus) and Mary(the other Mary from Matthew 27:56, 61, 28:1 and John 19:25) begat James(the less), Jo'ses and Jude

The Holy Spirit and the Blessed Virgin Mary begat Jesus The Christ

12 posted on 02/15/2010 9:34:39 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

People’s views on this is how they have personally interpreted
the bible.

You posted three other people’s interpretations of the bible.

Do you believe Luther’s,Calvin’s, and Zwingli’s wrightings are also the Word of God?


26 posted on 02/15/2010 10:01:40 AM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
"It is an article of faith that Mary is Mother of the Lord and still a virgin .... Christ, we believe, came forth from a womb left perfectly intact." Martin Luther, Works of Luther, Vol. 11, pp. 319-320, Vol. 6, p. 510

A personal belief of Brother Martin. It isn't supported by Scripture, so it isn't part of the Lutheran Confessions. Where he references an article of faith

, perhaps he is referring to his Catholic upbringing.

55 posted on 02/15/2010 11:44:21 AM PST by xone
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Luke 11:27-28 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

And it came to pass, in his saying these things, a certain woman having lifted up the voice out of the multitude, said to him, `Happy the womb that carried thee, and the paps that thou didst suck!'

And he said, `Yea, rather, happy those hearing the word of God, and keeping [it]!'

Yea in verse 28 means - ore than this : not only so but. Christ is actually affirming the woman's statement and simply adding to it something even better. Christ is restricting, correcting and amplifying, not denying the woman's statement It is like saying, "You're right, but real happiness comes from hearing the word of God, and keeping it." I am not Catholic, but that verse is abused and I am a big fan of the truth.

363 posted on 02/17/2010 1:47:55 PM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Linguistic literalists like "Pastor Bob" are far too ignorant to realize that they are in the minority.

That puts him in the most exquisite of company; the Lord said that few would find the narrow gate; Bob has.

395 posted on 02/17/2010 3:57:31 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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