Posted on 02/15/2010 9:07:17 AM PST by GonzoII
The Scenario:
Ever have one of those days when you’re feeling full of energy and vigor? I mean, you’re feeling just obnoxiously happy? Well, this is one of those days.
Driving home from work, you switch on the radio to see what’s happening, and you tune in to a local Protestant radio station just in time to hear a preacher speaking against various Catholic doctrines concerning Mary. The show is called Pastor Bob’s Bible Hour. Pastor Bob proclaims: “Jesus knew Catholics would come along and begin to worship His mother and call her perpetual virgin and absurd things like that. But the Bible says: ‘Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And are not His brethren James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? And are not all of His sisters with us?’ (Matt. 13:55-56a). And isn’t it sad, my brothers and sisters?”
Pastor Bob goes on to say: “Jesus dealt with these Mary worshippers in His day. In Luke 11:27-28, the Bible says, ‘A woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts that You sucked!” But He said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”’”
On a normal day you would probably just listen, take a few mental notes and drive on. But not this time. You’re feeling a little bit too saucy. You take the first exit you see and head for a phone. This is just one more reason why you need to buy that cell phone you’ve been talking about getting.
Step One:
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*lolz*
[heads e x p l o d i n g ]
It wouldn’t be the dumbest thing I’ve heard on these threads, not even close.
Despicable.
It is the earliest citation of Matthew 28:19. Where are all the older manuscripts ? It seems like someone wanted to The Roman "church" father lied ?
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
re-write scriptures to back fill dogma.
LOL
It is the earliest citation of Matthew 28:19.
It is a very early use of part of the language of what would later be numbered Matthew 28:19-20.
It is being exploited to deny Baptism and the Holy Trinity.
Satan is the father of all lies.
It seems like someone wanted to re-write scriptures to back fill dogma.
He was known as Shem Tov.
I will add to that..the jars full of water that was changed to wine were the ritual washing jars... How symbolic that wine, the symbol of the cleansing blood of Christ, filled the ritual washing jars.. BTW Those jars were then ritually unclean after the wine was in them.
I know what the immaculate conception is, do you? It has nothing to do with Mary being sinless, it has to do with her being a virgin.. did you know that ?
I am asking if "ann" wasalso sinless, because if one needs a sinless womb to carry a sinless child she ytoo must have been sinless
Amen Brother!
All you have to do is see the Pope kneeling down and praying to a statue of Mary to understand what's going on. Former RC's have said they were caught up in this heresy. We see it and know it for what it is, heresy.
You will most likely will get away with it as it would appear You know that I believe that Jesus the Christ is G-d A NAME which appears over 7000 times in the Holy Word. John 14:9...Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father '? He is not one of three gods. Some members of the Roman "church" formally trained You are joining Pet in attempting to put words in my mouth.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
that the RM provides cover for members of the Roman "church".
The ONE and only YHvH. 29 Jesus answered, "The foremost is, 'HEAR, O ISRAEL!
YHvH OUR Elohim IS ONE YHvH; Deut 6:4
in theology state that we can ignore the old god because
he is mean and nasty and not warm and cuddly.
Great point! I'll add that the marriage feast represents our communion with God and thus when Jesus told his mother that his time had not yet come he points to that time in which all of His will be united to Him.
Sure looked like it to me. Obviously, Dr.E. is a big target because she is so strong about supporting her positions. Maybe the open threads shouldn't have any constraints.
I think I have said before that I am not playing your games, nor do I submit to questioning by you.
If I didn’t, consider it said.
*lolz*
Congratulations! You agree with the Catholic Church.
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I responded
Hebrews 4: 15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet was without sin.
Hebrews just reiterates what we already know from the Gospel.
You basically implied that the only temptation Jesus had was the temptation by Satan on the mountain , even if that were true it would still count a HUMAN temptations because he had a HUMAN nature.. just as we all have. Again He got his Human nature from Mary. being human is more than just having a body..our dogs have bodies but they are not human. Would we call a child that was born with no arms or legs fully human ...of course , not based on his body, but on the nature he has within him .
If Mary was only to pass on a body, without the Human nature then she provides only a gene pool and nothing else. A sinless Mary would not have a human nature, but a divine one. Hebrews makes clear that Jesus was tempted just as we are, as he lived a life like ours..
Thank you for the ping to that post. I would have missed it.
JL thank you for posting that!
You are totally 100% WRONG.
The Immaculate Conception has NEVER referred to anything other than the conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary. (Though you will often hear it in movies incorrectly used to refer to the Incarnation and Virgin Birth.)
“All you have to do is see the Pope kneeling down and praying to a statue of Mary to understand what’s going on.”
Things aren’t always like they seem.
“We see it and know it for what it is, heresy.”
Ask a bishop if worshipping Mary is heresy. What do you think he will say?
Freegards
From Catholic Answers:
The Immaculate Conception
It’s important to understand what the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception is and what it is not. Some people think the term refers to Christ’s conception in Mary’s womb without the intervention of a human father; but that is the Virgin Birth. Others think the Immaculate Conception means Mary was conceived “by the power of the Holy Spirit,” in the way Jesus was, but that, too, is incorrect. The Immaculate Conception means that Mary, whose conception was brought about the normal way, was conceived without original sin or its stain—that’s what “immaculate” means: without stain. The essence of original sin consists in the deprivation of sanctifying grace, and its stain is a corrupt nature. Mary was preserved from these defects by God’s grace; from the first instant of her existence she was in the state of sanctifying grace and was free from the corrupt nature original sin brings.
When discussing the Immaculate Conception, an implicit reference may be found in the angel’s greeting to Mary. The angel Gabriel said, “Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you” (Luke 1:28). The phrase “full of grace” is a translation of the Greek word kecharitomene. It therefore expresses a characteristic quality of Mary.
The traditional translation, “full of grace,” is better than the one found in many recent versions of the New Testament, which give something along the lines of “highly favored daughter.” Mary was indeed a highly favored daughter of God, but the Greek implies more than that (and it never mentions the word for “daughter”). The grace given to Mary is at once permanent and of a unique kind. Kecharitomene is a perfect passive participle of charitoo, meaning “to fill or endow with grace.” Since this term is in the perfect tense, it indicates that Mary was graced in the past but with continuing effects in the present. So, the grace Mary enjoyed was not a result of the angel’s visit. In fact, Catholics hold, it extended over the whole of her life, from conception onward. She was in a state of sanctifying grace from the first moment of her existence.
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