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Nuts and Bolts - By Tim Staples: Mary Worshippers Need Not Apply
Envoy ^ | Tim Staples

Posted on 02/15/2010 9:07:17 AM PST by GonzoII

The Scenario:

Ever have one of those days when you’re feeling full of energy and vigor? I mean, you’re feeling just obnoxiously happy? Well, this is one of those days.

Driving home from work, you switch on the radio to see what’s happening, and you tune in to a local Protestant radio station just in time to hear a preacher speaking against various Catholic doctrines concerning Mary. The show is called Pastor Bob’s Bible Hour. Pastor Bob proclaims: “Jesus knew Catholics would come along and begin to worship His mother and call her perpetual virgin and absurd things like that. But the Bible says: ‘Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And are not His brethren James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? And are not all of His sisters with us?’ (Matt. 13:55-56a). And isn’t it sad, my brothers and sisters?”

Pastor Bob goes on to say: “Jesus dealt with these Mary worshippers in His day. In Luke 11:27-28, the Bible says, ‘A woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts that You sucked!” But He said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”’”

On a normal day you would probably just listen, take a few mental notes and drive on. But not this time. You’re feeling a little bit too saucy. You take the first exit you see and head for a phone. This is just one more reason why you need to buy that cell phone you’ve been talking about getting.

Step One:

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History
KEYWORDS: bvm; catholic; mariolatry; moapb; ourlady
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To: annalex
One event in the scripture that points to Peter's actual assuming of the papacy is the "feed my lambs" passage at the end of the gospel of John.

So he was pope before he had the Holy Spirit and before the church was born?? He did not think so He believed he was an elder..not even a priest

881 posted on 02/19/2010 5:27:18 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Belteshazzar

I’ll start the discussion on the Cana miracle. There’s much that could be said but I’ll only note:

The New Wine is better than the old wine.

Christ represents the new wine of the covenant.


882 posted on 02/19/2010 5:46:57 AM PST by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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To: PAR35

The Klan hated Catholics. Still does.

That’s the reference: anti-Catholic hatred.


883 posted on 02/19/2010 5:55:16 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: John Leland 1789

Thank you for sharing your own personal interpretation of Scripture.


884 posted on 02/19/2010 5:57:07 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Marysecretary

Very wise of you to agree mare.


885 posted on 02/19/2010 5:58:05 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: PAR35
And I didn't say that she was Roman.

Referring to her comment, you claimed Rome was playing the race card.

886 posted on 02/19/2010 6:05:38 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: the_conscience; Religion Moderator; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; HarleyD; 1000 silverlings; Quix; ...
Why not let posters just have at it?

Let the open threads be open. There are devotional and caucus threads for those that don't want to confront heretical beliefs head on. Posters figure out who to take seriously and who to ignore pretty quickly.

887 posted on 02/19/2010 6:40:17 AM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: annalex; RnMomof7
The language of Apoc. 12 is in part metaphorical but nevertheless it identifies Mary in the beginning and in the end, so we who trust the scripture just have to deal with it as written.

To those who study the scriptures without the eisegesis of Roman
goddess worship, see the woman in Rev 12 as the wife of YHvH, Israel.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
888 posted on 02/19/2010 6:50:14 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

Annalex isn’t Roman.


889 posted on 02/19/2010 6:53:13 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: John Leland 1789; Marysecretary
Now, those attributes of sinlessness make Mary, at the very least, a demigodess, if not a goddess.

I think your questions of RC's illustrate why they don't want to discuss this heresy and will do everything they can to move the discussion elsewhere.

There are numerous contradictions with Scripture if people want to look. I think the people who are hurt the most with this heresy are those that haven't gotten into the Word. They follow along with the cultural pressure to conform and assume that what they are doing is okay since everyone else is doing it and their church promotes it.

We've all seen it. It's not veneration it's worship and it is wrong.

890 posted on 02/19/2010 7:01:18 AM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: RnMomof7

As a former Catholic and self-proclaimed church teacher (what a mistake!), you ought to know about Immaculate Conception. Your question is an attempt to play a game. I decline.


891 posted on 02/19/2010 7:43:04 AM PST by Judith Anne
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To: Quix

I could say the same thing of you.


892 posted on 02/19/2010 7:46:23 AM PST by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: Petronski
Annalex isn’t Roman.

Kill the message or the messenger ; never address the question.

Alinsky's rules of Roman apologetics.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
893 posted on 02/19/2010 7:49:26 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: wmfights
I think your questions of RC's illustrate why they don't want to discuss this heresy and will do everything they can to move the discussion elsewhere.

Our reluctance couldn't have anything to do with the fact that this question, these demands, are made of Catholics on EVERY SINGLE OPEN THREAD when Catholics participate. It couldn't be because we're sick and tired of being targets for you to take pot-shots at, or that we've explained it so many times to the SAME PEOPLE that we're sick of you all.

Nope. Couldn't be that. Of course, you are performing for lurkers, as many of the anti-Catholics have admitted, ignoring the fact that lurkers, too, can go to the Catechism online and find out the answers for themselves. Catholics are not your trained monkeys, dancing to your Calvinist tune.

Continually asking the same question leads many of us to regard the Calvinists and all their hangers-on as insincere at best and duplicitous at worst.

Nevertheless, in case any of the reprobate minds on your side have a sliver of doubt, our care for souls leads us to answer, albeit with impatience.

894 posted on 02/19/2010 7:53:21 AM PST by Judith Anne
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To: RnMomof7

Hebrews just reiterates what we already know from the Gospel.

I have read and studied Holy Scripture all my life, so your sarcastic comment is mis-placed.

Since you can’t seem to discuss anything without resorting to rude comments, this will be my last post to you. When you decide to be nice, I will reply again.


895 posted on 02/19/2010 7:54:59 AM PST by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: wmfights
We've all seen it. It's not veneration it's worship and it is wrong.

Mind-reading an entire church! Fantastic!

896 posted on 02/19/2010 7:55:06 AM PST by Judith Anne
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To: Judith Anne; wmfights

Thanks, Judith Anne

wmfights, I remember having these same discussions with you four or five years ago! You’re a slow learner, aren’t you?


897 posted on 02/19/2010 8:05:45 AM PST by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: nanetteclaret; wmfights

Busted! ;-D


898 posted on 02/19/2010 8:11:08 AM PST by Judith Anne
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To: Judith Anne
Yay!!! I wish they could tell me MORE about me that I don't even know myself. They are just so smart. I met one the other day, and it went something like this:

Stupid popish me: Like my new car?

Smarter-than-all Catholics them: Can't you buy American? What's your problem?

Stupid popish me: What are you saying? Of course I bought American. Real American even - not Government Motors or anything...

Smarter-than-all Catholics them: No, it's a foreign car.

Stupid popish me: Look - it says "Ford" right here...

Smarter-than-all Catholics them: I saw a website once that said "Taurus" is a foreign word. For a calf no less; so I understand why you got it in the golden-colored model, idolater.

Stupid popish me: oooo-kay. If I just agree you're better than me, can we end this conversation? I need a drink...

899 posted on 02/19/2010 8:12:07 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

LOL! You’ve captured it in a nutshell!


900 posted on 02/19/2010 8:14:21 AM PST by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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