Posted on 12/26/2009 9:59:19 AM PST by restornu
REXBURG -- The LDS Church has issued a statement regarding the church's stance on Idaho gubernatorial candidate Rex Rammell's "elders only" meetings.
Kim Farah, spokeswomen for the LDS church, issued this statement:
"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is politically neutral and does not endorse or promote any candidate, party or platform. Accordingly, we hope that the campaign practices of political candidates would not suggest that their candidacy is supported by or connected to the church.
"The so-called 'White Horse Prophecy' is based on accounts that have not been substantiated by historical research and is not embraced as Church doctrine."
The White Horse Prophecy was allegedly given by LDS church founder Joseph Smith. According to accounts, Smith states that "the U.S. Constitution will hang by a thread" and that the elders of the LDS church will step up and save it.
In a press conference on Wednesday, Rammell reaffirmed his belief of the prophecy based on his own personal research of alleged statements by former LDS President Ezra Taft Benson.
He issued this statement to the press:
"In order to motivate my fellow elders in the LDS church, I have invited many to attend meetings to discuss Joseph's prophecy and how we can help save the Constitution. Some people, LDS and non-LDS, think it is inappropriate for me to hold such meetings. I think that is ridiculous.
"I have and will hold meetings with all kinds of groups in Idaho. I will speak to each group on matters that are of interest to and directly affect them individually. As such, it would only be appropriate for me to address Joseph Smith's prophecy with people who believe he was a prophet."
Rammell's first meeting will held at the Hampton Inn in Idaho Falls between 7 and 8 p.m. on Jan. 19. Subsequent meetings will be held in Rexburg, Blackfoot, Pocatello, Twin Falls and Boise.
NATE SUNDERLAND
D. Todd Christofferson
“Monson ain’t NOTHIN’ without MY ‘yes; vote!”
D. Todd Christofferson
“Monson ain’t NOTHIN’ without MY ‘yes’; vote!”
D. Todd Christofferson
“Monson ain’t NOTHIN’ without MY ‘yes’ vote!”
I know you believe that with all your heart.
“Out of the abundance of the heart; the mouth speaks.”
Quick!
Steer that thread into a C vs P one!!
They must have some sort of holding place, maybe like the Catholic purgatory
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They actually have two. “Paradise” for the good Mormons and “spirit prison” for everyone else.
They also believe that those in prison are waiting for someone here on earth to baptize them into the Mormon church, do the Temple endowment for them (where they take various oaths and learn secret handshakes), and re-marry them to their spouses in an LDS marriage ceremony called a sealing. All of this is done by “proxy” and is why the LDS are so big on genealogy.
I used to be LDS so this is not “web knowledge”.
LOL!!
So what happens to the poor ladies who don’t get called by their hubbies? Do they go to paradise and live a nice quiet eternity, spared the burden of producing spirit children for their god-husbands?
I don't think that's true. I live in Utah and there is lots of support for the military. I served with quite a few LDS. They are very patriotic.
So what happens to the poor ladies who don’t get called by their hubbies? Do they go to paradise and live a nice quiet eternity, spared the burden of producing spirit children for their god-husbands?
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They used to teach that they would would not be ressurrected and would cease to exist. I have known a lot of LDS men who have held this threat over their wives.
Then they taught that God would resurrect them but they would be servants to other “god couples”.
I believe current teaching is that they will be sealed as a polygamous wife to some other “god”, but that may only be if they are not given a chance to marry in the temple in this life.
And no consequences to the husbands, eh? It’s good to be king I guess.
Mormons arent big on military service...
And no consequences to the husbands, eh? It’s good to be king I guess.
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Pretty much. There used to be a much greater emphasis on the role of men as “saviors” for their family and the subservience of women. Prior to the 1990 changes of the temple ceremony, men vowed to obey God and women vowed to obey their husbands:
The men “covenant and promise” that they will “obey the law of God.” The women, however, agree to obey the law of their husbands:
“Elohim: We will put the sisters under covenant to obey the law of their husbands. Sisters, arise.
(Female patrons stand as instructed.)
“Elohim: Each of you bring your right arm to the square. You and each of you solemnly covenant and promise before God, angels and these witnesses at this altar that you will each observe and keep the law of your husband, and abide by his counsel in righteousness. Each of you bow your head and say yes.
“Women: Yes.”
Since then there has been significant effort to downplay the superiority of men to women. However, many of the rank and file men and women, still see women as subservient. Many times in the women’s auxiliary, called Relief Society, women are counseled to obey their “priesthood holders”, this includes not only husbands, but fathers, sons, and any male member holding the LDS priesthood (all ‘worthy’ men/boys over the age of 12).
I have seen wives who are completely controlled by their teenage sons b/c the sons hold “the priesthood”.
Mormons arent big on military service...
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While there are Mormons in the military, service to “the church” (as an organization) is considered a much greater priority than service to the country.
I read somewhere that the whole secret name ceremony is a joke. All the women on any given day receive the same name.
If only LDS women would believe and trust in the love God has for them! In Revelation 2:17 we are told that we will be given a white stone with our new name, a name that only we will know.
God loves women as deeply as men and trusts them to come to Him on their own, not be dragged along by a human man in order to serve his purposes.
read somewhere that the whole secret name ceremony is a joke. All the women on any given day receive the same name.
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That is true. The same name is given for all temples across the world for any given day. There are also only a certain mumber of names, so they are reused at a fairly rapid rate.
I made a joke a few weeks ago while discussing this and how confusing it would be come the resurrection:
(voice crackling over the loud speaker)
“Rebekah5572 your party is waiting for you at the front gate of the Celestial Kingdom”
“Rebekah5572 your party is waiting....”
That would be funny, except, well...it’s just so sad.
There used to be a much greater emphasis on the role of men as “saviors” for their family
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Mormons are their own “saviors”
...we are the only people that know how to save our progenitors, how to save ourselves, and how to save our posterity in the celestial kingdom of God;...we in fact are the saviours of the world...” (Lds “prophet” John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, vol.6, p.163).
“... mortals have to be saviors on Mount Zion, acting by proxy for the dead.” (LDS “prophet” Joseph Fielding Smith, The Way to Perfection, p. 325)
“We know something about our progenitors, and God has taught us how to be saviors for them by being baptized for them in the flesh, that they may live according to God in the Spirit.” (LDS “prophet” John Taylor, March 20,1870, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 14, 3/20/1870)
I read somewhere that the whole secret name ceremony is a joke. All the women on any given day receive the same name.
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It was no joke in 1968...
It was taught as a real need for mormon women to enter the mormon afterlife
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