Some small nations, to their undying credit, didn't sell out like Sweden. Some stood and fought and died while others made money!
Posted on 11/21/2009 9:42:14 AM PST by WesternCulture
When I look at the world of today, I am appalled.
Luckily enough, I'm also a Lutheran and know what cure there is.
I'll tell you about it.
My grandfather was rather "well off".
Rich enough to hire people to take care of his summer houses in different parts of the country (Sweden), but instead he chose to work on those estates whenever having a little of time off, not out of a miser's love for money, but because the love of how it feels to be truly independent.
Church attendence in my part of the world isn't something you'd boast about to Americans, I'm well aware of that.
On the other hand, Sweden of today is indeed a country a guy like ML would've appreciated.
We are a sole 9 million and we have some of the most advanced industries and scientific institutes of the world whether we're talking bio-tech, IT or the ability to spew out fighter planes and advanced tanks (and no, we don't overestimate ourselves here up North, it's the Russians who do so - study what happened when Finland was attacked by them in WWII).
Martin Luther was a great, self-made man. My part of the World owe him everything.
Compare the performance of the most Lutheran nations on Earth (Iceland, Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark) to that of the least ones.
- Norway has more dollar millionaires than any other nation.
-(Despite Muslim boycotts) Danes enjoy the highest salaries on Earth
- Two of the 20 richest men on this planet are Swedes and the Volvo V70 is the best selling car in my country
Where I live, you go to work but you don't just go to work, you are addicted to work, you strive to overachive youself and your soul belongs to a true TEAM of fellow workers. Yes, it feels good too - and you don't feel the urge to visit a pointless penny arcade or a karaoke bar afterwards like Japanese employees do.
Therefore, our society is prosperous, moral and secure and I drive around in a car like the Volvo V70.
Martin Luther was RIGHT!
“Yeah, that good old Nordic fighting spirit.
Sweden was such a great help in the last World War.”
- At least we aided Finland upon attacked by Stalin instead of declaring war on them (like Britain did) and we didn’t sell fuel to the Luftwaffe or trucks to Die Wehrmacht like the US did.
Do your homework instead of bashing a small nation that happened to be squeezed in between Communism and Nazism during the last World war.
“Yeah, that good old Nordic fighting spirit.
Sweden was such a great help in the last World War.”
- At least we aided Finland upon attacked by Stalin instead of declaring war on them (like Britain did) and we didn’t sell fuel to the Luftwaffe or trucks to Die Wehrmacht like the US did.
Do your homework instead of bashing a small nation that happened to be squeezed in between Communism and Nazism during the last World war.
“Unfortunately, in this part of the US, the Lutheran Church is guided by the ELCA and it seems to be particularly liberal.”
- Sounds disgusting. You have my support.
Liberalism, at least in the version that presently is being overwhelmingly successful in both Europe and America is a failed ideology.
Lutheranism, on the other hand, is not a failed religion and neither Sweden or Europe is a failed part of the World.
The best among our European sons and daughters come back from doing duty in Afghanistan in body bags, just like the brave American soldiers who don’t hesitate to pay the ultimate price for freedom.
One day, a free Western World will acknowledge their efforts and express gratitude towards those who resisted the vicious attacks from both domestic and foreign enemies on Western Civilization that false religions as well as false ideologies brought launched.
Have trust.
Greetings from Gothenburg, Sweden,
WesternCulture
“About anything in particular?”
- Yes, work ethics I believe.
Anyhow, don’t lend too much of an ear to me. I’m just another Northern European, trying to sell you an overprized car.
Dies is ze truth of ze whole ding:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXzubuENjHk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifgHHhw_6g8
You wrote:
“...and we didn’t sell fuel to the Luftwaffe or trucks to Die Wehrmacht like the US did.”
You sold them STEEL. They made their rifles, tanks and bombs out of that steel. The German war effort would have floundered if not for Swedish collusion with the Nazis.
Come to think of it, isn’t Queen Silvia of Sweden (born Silvia Renate Sommerlath, December 23, 1943) the daughter of one of those scumbag Swedish steel dealers who did so much to help the Nazi war effort keep going? Yeah, actually she is.
Like I said:
“The Swedish economy was, for a number of years, almost fully integrated into the Nazis’ New Order; the country supplied Germany with high-grade iron ore (30 percent of that used by the German armaments industry), as well as ball bearings, foodstuffs, wood, and many other raw materials. In matters of finance, the Swedes cooperated with Germany by providing credit, which allowed the delivery of vast quantities of military equipment to the Wehrmacht. Moreover, after the war, the Swedish central bank, the Riksbank, “examined gold it had received from the Nazis in payment for exports and returned about 13 tons that presumably had been stolen [from] Belgium and the Netherlands.”24”
http://www.adl.org/Braun/dim_14_1_neutrality_europe.asp
“Do your homework instead of bashing a small nation that happened to be squeezed in between Communism and Nazism during the last World war”
Do your own homework. You apparently didn’t know that your country made the steel that made the Nazi terror possible in Europe EVEN DURING THE WAR. Way to go!
You and the Nazis deserve Lutheranism. You’re suited for it:
http://www.humanitas-international.org/showcase/chronography/documents/luther-jews.htm
“Liberalism, at least in the version that presently is being overwhelmingly successful in both Europe and America is a failed ideology.”
And it exists because of Luther.
“Lutheranism, on the other hand, is not a failed religion and neither Sweden or Europe is a failed part of the World.”
Wrong on both counts. Lutheranism is a failure. Sweden and Europe are both failures. Neither Sweden nor Europe will exist in 100 years.
No, this is the truth about Sweden: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRnP-XzB_U0
Kiss your Sweden goodbye. Your grandson, if you bother having any children, will be named Muhammad. Enjoy!
“Compare the performance of the most Lutheran nations on Earth (Iceland, Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark) to that of the least ones.”
You mean like Japan, Singapore and Korea?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
- I'm very aware my country was forced to do trade with evil in order to survive (one thing you should know is that Sweden traded iron ore for German weapons so that the Nordic countries could fight the Red Army. Right or wrong - who cares when dealing with a Commie tyrant like Joseph Stalin?)
One relative of mine managed the vending of such steel, another one got shot by the Red Army but survived, back in (the Swedish speaking part of) Finland after wards he became a police officer. He never lost his faith in democracy and freedom under the reign of law and order.
Do my ancestors owe you some sort of apology?
Yeah, right.
Which Synod?
You wrote:
“I’m very aware my country was forced to do trade with evil in order to survive (one thing you should know is that Sweden traded iron ore for German weapons so that the Nordic countries could fight the Red Army.”
Sweden traded with the Germans so they could make money. They made LOTS OF IT. Remember, “In matters of finance, the Swedes cooperated with Germany by providing credit, which allowed the delivery of vast quantities of military equipment to the Wehrmacht.”
The Swedes were forced to do none of this by the Nazis nor the Soviets. They did so willingly.
“Right or wrong - who cares when dealing with a Commie tyrant like Joseph Stalin?)”
Who cares whether it is right or wrong? Spoken like a Lutheran! LOL
“One relative of mine managed the vending of such steel,”
So your relative made his living from making the Nazis happy. Peachy.
“...another one got shot by the Red Army but survived, back in (the Swedish speaking part of) Finland after wards he became a police officer. He never lost his faith in democracy and freedom under the reign of law and order.”
Who cares if he was shot? After all, right and wrong don’t matter according to you, right?
“Do my ancestors owe you some sort of apology?”
Not me, no. Some of the innocents of Europe, yes.
I am more afraid of my own heart than of the pope and all his cardinals. I have within me the great pope, Self.
—Martin Luther
I believe that would be Sweden. It is about rampant rape of Swedish women by Muslims that I have read much more than about such assaults in Norway or Denmark.
Some small nations, to their undying credit, didn't sell out like Sweden. Some stood and fought and died while others made money!
“Some small nations, to their undying credit, didn’t sell out like Sweden. Some stood and fought and died while others made money!”
- Are you seriously wishing to say we Swedes did not prove, by deed, that we were on Finland’s side?
“Are you seriously wishing to say we Swedes did not prove, by deed, that we were on Finland’s side?”
I’m saying you Swedes willing embraced Nazi cause for money while others died to defeat Nazi and Fascist and Mohammedan tyranny!
“Who cares if he was shot?”
- I’d claim any truly Western family would care slightly more about his fate than you seem to do.
That relative of mine took part in defeating Russia.
In my eyes, he was a hero.
Who needs Russia?
“I’m saying you Swedes willing embraced Nazi cause for money”
- What you’re really telling me is you discard history books and take pride in posting nonsense on the Internet.
Sweden traded with the Nazis, yes, we also traded with Britain etc.
Would you starve your own nation to death, if, God forbid, you became the leader of it?
You wrote:
” I’d claim any truly Western family would care slightly more about his fate than you seem to do.”
I’M NOT HIS FAMILY. That’s the point. The fact that you have a relative killed decades ago by communist scum doesn’t mean the Swedes should have climbed into bed with Nazi scum. Stop making excuses for what the Swedes very knowingly did.
“That relative of mine took part in defeating Russia.”
How does excuse your nation’s collusion with the Nazis? You keep throwing these familial factoids as if they some how matter. They don’t.
“In my eyes, he was a hero.”
Again, how does that excuse Sweden serving the Nazis? How EXACTLY? Who you consider to be a hero in no way changes what your people did.
“Who needs Russia?”
Who needs Sweden? As a ‘neutral’ who served the Nazis Sweden was all but useless in WWII. What is Sweden really worth now? How many nations has Sweden ever freed? None. How many nations’ freedom will Sweden fight for today? None...except it’s own...and probably not even that if the fight looks tough.
But that’s okay, if need be, we would come to Sweden’s rescue. After all, as is well known and often ignored by the punt minority of Swedish chest thumpers, the US government secretly promised in the early 1960s to rescue Sweden’s weak butt if the Soviets invaded. This was kept secret until the 1990s so as not to embarrass the Swedish weaklings in front of their own people.
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