Posted on 11/14/2009 2:54:59 PM PST by Colofornian
Below is an informative piece by my friend Gary Glenn of the American Family Association of Michigan about the awful decision by the LDS Church (Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) to support legislation granting legal protections based on homosexuality. Gary of AFA-Michigan writes:
A Shocker from Salt Lake City:
The LDS (Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) Church now officially endorses so-called gay rights laws, specifically a Salt Lake City law prohibiting discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation (homosexual behavior) and gender identity (cross-dressing).
From the official LDS Church website: http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/news-releases-stories/church-supports-nondiscrimination-ordinances
ASSOCIATED PRESS: Mormons throw support behind gay-rights cause
DESERET NEWS: Mormon church supports Salt Lake Citys protections for gay rights
Astoundingly, both the Massachusetts and California supreme courts expressly and specifically cited their states identical sexual orientation laws regarding employment and housing as a legal justification for their rulings legalizing so-called homosexual marriage. That indisputable fact alone renders the Church spokesmans claim that its endorsement of the sexual orientation ordinance poses no threat to marriage to be utter nonsense, especially since the Churchs new position will certainly boost homosexual activists ongoing efforts in the Utah Legislature to enact an identical state law.
Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court, Goodridge v. Mass. Dept. of Health: Several amici suggest that prohibiting marriage by same-sex couples reflects community consensus that homosexual conduct is immoral. Yet Massachusetts has a strong affirmative policy of preventing discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. See G.L. c. 151B (employment, housing, credit, services); G.L. c. 265, § 39 (hate crimes); G.L. c. 272, § 98 (public accommodation). Page14 at: Goodridge
California Supreme Court, In Re: Marriage Cases: See, for example, Civil Code section 51 (barring sexual orientation discrimination in the provision of services by any business establishment); Government Code sections 12920 (barring sexual orientation discrimination in employment), 12955 (barring sexual orientation discrimination in housing) In light of this recognition, sections 1 and 7 of article I of the California Constitution cannot properly be interpreted to withhold from gay individuals the same basic civil right of personal autonomy and liberty including the right to establish, with the person of ones choice, an officially recognized and sanctioned family that the California Constitution affords to heterosexual individuals. pp 68-69 at: http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov
U.S. House Republican Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, reaffirmed the threat such sexual orientation laws pose to marriage in commenting on the federal Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA), legislation which would add sexual orientation to federal civil rights laws regarding employment. If enacted, Boehner said, ENDA would put activist judges in the position of imposing same-sex marriage and civil union laws on states. Simply by using ENDA as the basis of their decisions just as state Supreme Courts have done with state-level ENDA laws in the past liberal judges will be empowered under this legislation to single-handedly undermine state and federal marriage laws across the country. Im disappointed that the Majority turned back a straightforward proposal offered by House Republicans to protect state and federal marriage laws from being overturned, modified, or restricted by activist judges as a result of this deeply flawed legislation. RepublicanLeader.house.gov
Such laws have also been used to discriminate against and punish individuals and businesses who refuse to approve of homosexual behavior and cross-dressing.
It is difficult to believe that LDS officials could be so grossly ignorant of the demonstrably proven threat such laws pose to marriage and to the religious freedoms of the individual, special exemptions for religious organizations and the government notwithstanding. Its further astounding that church officials would endorse a law banning discrimination based on gender identity, rendering it illegal for an employer to refuse to hire a man because he (1) dresses as and claims to believe hes a woman; and (2) demands on that basis to use the womens restroom at work.
Its notable in contrast that the Catholic Church refuses to endorse forcing such sexual orientation laws on the rest of society just because homosexual activists are politically calculating enough to (at least temporarily) exempt churches. [Editor's Note: in certain areas such as Maine, Catholic bishops or leaders have endorsed homosexual activist laws against the teachings of their Church; such backing in heavily Catholic states usually makes the difference in passage of pro-homosexual legislation.]
From a Vatican directive instructing Catholic bishops to oppose so-called sexual orientation laws: Where a matter of the common good is concerned, it is inappropriate for church authorities to endorse or remain neutral toward adverse legislation even if it grants exceptions to church organizations and institutions. The church has the responsibility to promote family life and the public morality of the entire civil society on the basis of fundamental moral values, not simply to protect herself from the application of harmful laws. http://www.ewtn.com/library/CURIA/CDFHOMOL.htm
We deeply sympathize with the shock that will no doubt be felt by many members of the LDS Church who do understand the implications of so-called sexual orientation laws and have expended great effort to oppose them and to educate others.
For example
Meridian Magazine / The Place Where Latter-day Saints Gather: Of course, the problem here is that the term sexual orientation has no innate meaning (in contrast with race, which does) and no historic or community value (such as religion) and would require the Utah State Legislature to fabricate its definition. In other words, adding the term sexual orientation to Utah law, as demanded (by homosexual activists), would give lawyers standing to attack employers and property owners. www.ldsmag.com
United Famlies International: We adamantly oppose the UNHRC sexual orientation provisions for three reasons: 1. Attempts to legalize same sex marriage around the world would be substantially strengthened if homosexual behavior becomes an internationally recognized human right. http://unitedfamilies.org
UFI brochure on Sexual Orientation, perhaps the best and most comprehensive single source on the subject weve ever seen
SexualOrientation
:)
A disciple of Jesus Christ strives to keep His commandments
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I have NEVER accused a mormon of being a disciple of Jesus Christ...
Those people are called Christians...
Mormons are disciples of Joey Smith and the mormon jesus and the mormon god ...errr...gods...
Good luck with that. You are assuming she has integrity and that she is not insane.
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There is no error in the Church position!
A bigot is one whose has a prejudice ax to grind
The Lord said to “Love One Another” it is a commandment.
The Lord also gave man free agency to agree or disagree!
Keep up the good work, Elsie. Our mystical friends are acting mystified.
I think that the next Mormons that knock on the door need to tell us whether the females will be perpetually pregnant on the planet that their husband is god of or not in the next life.
Actually, I think that the next Mormons that knock on the door will be asked to show their underwear as proof.
A bigot is one whose has a prejudice ax to grind
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Well, then, I’m sure it must be gratifying to you to know that the LDS General Authorities are bigots no longer...
The Lord also gave man free agency to agree or disagree!
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and we really appriciate how you adhere to that in these threads, Resty...
I think that the next Mormons that knock on the door need to tell us whether the females will be perpetually pregnant on the planet that their husband is god of or not in the next life.
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Yes there is that sexist bigotry in mormon doctrine and still being practiced by mormon males...
Yes there is that sexist bigotry in mormon doctrine and still being practiced by mormon males...
I would not dream of trying to put this over on my wife. I love her too much to try to enslave her. There is no love in slavery or chattal holdings.
Resty: “There is no error in the Church position!”
Sure there is, and it’s indisputable.
Their stated position: “The Church supports these (’sexual orientation’) ordinances because they are fair and reasonable and do not do violence to the institution of marriage.”
Yet if you read the original post above, you can follow the links to the decisions of both the California and Massachusetts supreme courts, which in both cases specifically and expressly cite those states’ “sexual orientation” laws as the basis of their decisions to declare so-called homosexual “marriage” legal. The state prohibits “discrimination” based on “sexual orientation,” the courts said, thus we can no longer allow the state’s marriage laws to “discriminate” against two men who want to marry.
Thus, Church officials just endorsed the very legal construct cited by left-wing activist judges as justification for their imposing so-called homosexual “marriage” in the first place, which the Church and Church members (to their substantial credit) then spent millions of dollars to overturn.
Such “sexual orientation” laws have also been used in jurisdictions that have adopted them to discriminate against and penalize individuals, businesses, and community organizations such as the Boy Scouts, Salvation Army, and Catholic Charities. Click the following link for multiple examples:
http://www.responsiblevoters.org/SpecialRights/Key3Victims.aspx
On top of that, the Salt Lake ordinance the LDS Church officially endorsed included so-called “gender identity,” a concept so radical that even openly homoexual Democrat Barney Frank initially refused to put it into his federal “gay rights” bill (legislation which Mitt Romney endorsed, by the way).
Prohibiting so-called “discrimination” on the basis of “gender identity” literally means you can be forced to hire a man who wears a wig, makeup, and high heels to work and demands to use the women’s restroom and shower, and it would constitute “discrimination” not to let him.
Did LDS officials knowingly endorse that concept, or were they ignorant? (I’m hoping they were merely ignorant, though grossly so, and may yet see fit to “adjust” their position.)
That said, on the other issue of Resty bearing false witness, apparently he does not have the integrity to (1) admit that he cannot document or prove his false accusation that I have “trashed LDS before” on FR, and (2) apologize for the false witness.
(As previously stated, my multiple posts criticizing Mitt Romney for his public policy record of supporting abortion on demand and homosexual activists’ political agenda before running for president don’t count, since I was slamming him for positions that themselves were at odds with the values of his own church.)
What openly homoexual Congressman Barney Frank said in explaining why he initially refused to add the term “gender identity” to his federal legislation prohibiting “discrimination” on the basis of “sexual orientation”:
“There are workplace situations communal showers, for example when the demands of the transgender community fly in the face of conventional norms and therefore would not pass in any Congress,” Frank said. “Ive talked with transgender activists, and what they want, and what we will be forced to defend, is for people with penises who identify as women to be able to shower with other women. There are no votes for that. And if that is the price
for this bill, it is wrong.”
Quoted by various sources including THE LABOR LAWYER, Winter/Spring 2006, page 25, paragraph 102 at the following link:
http://www.bna.com/bnabooks/ababna/laborlawyer/21.3.pdf
Thus, LDS Church officials just endorsed a legal concept so radical that even Barney Frank wasn’t comfortable with it. He eventually relented, however, and added the “gender identity” term after being condemned by the same “transgender activists” he cited in his comments.
Do I believe LDS officials understood the language they endorsed and intentionally expressed support for the radical concept of cross-dressing “rights” as explained by Barney Frank?
No, I think they acted out of ignorance, and a desire to prove they’re not “bigots” because they oppose so-called homosexual “marriage.” I hope, once better educated on the legal effects of the language they endorsed, they’ll see fit to adjust their stand as they have on other issues in the past.
Tolerance, Same-Sex Marriage and Religious Freedom
Those who favor homosexual marriage contend that tolerance demands that they be given the same right to marry as heterosexual couples. But this appeal for tolerance advocates a very different meaning and outcome than that word has meant throughout most of American history and a different meaning than is found in the gospel of Jesus Christ.
The Savior taught a much higher concept, that of love. Love thy neighbor, He admonished. [13] Jesus loved the sinner even while decrying the sin, as evidenced in the case of the woman taken in adultery: treating her kindly, but exhorting her to sin no more. [14] Tolerance as a gospel principle means love and forgiveness of one another, not tolerating transgression.
In todays secular world, the idea of tolerance has come to mean something entirely different. Instead of love, it has come to mean condone acceptance of wrongful behavior as the price of friendship.
Jesus taught that we love and care for one another without condoning transgression. But todays politically palatable definition insists that unless one accepts the sin he does not tolerate the sinner.
As Elder Dallin H. Oaks has explained,
Tolerance obviously requires a non-contentious manner of relating toward one anothers differences. But tolerance does not require abandoning ones standards or ones opinions on political or public policy choices. Tolerance is a way of reacting to diversity, not a command to insulate it from examination. [15]
The Church does not condone abusive treatment of others and encourages its members to treat all people with respect. However, speaking out against practices with which the Church disagrees on moral grounds including same-sex marriage does not constitute abuse or the frequently misused term hate speech. We can express genuine love and friendship for the homosexual family member or friend without accepting the practice of homosexuality or any re-definition of marriage.
13] Matt. 19:19.
[14] John 8:11.
[15] Elder Dallin H. Oaks, Weightier Matters, BYU Devotional speech, 9 February 1999.
Transcript
http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6647
Audio
http://media.byub.org/mp3/devo/1999/2/devo199929-361.mp3
Thanks for watching my backside; Sister!
--MormonDube(We need all the support we can get!)
But what if they are Flds?
Do they not also wear the garments?
And the SLC group does NOT 'allow' anyone to call the Flds folks MORMON!
Elder Dallin H. Oaks said:
"How do we prevent our strengths from becoming our downfall? The quality we must cultivate is humility. Humility is the great protector. Humility is the antidote against pride. Humility is the catalyst for all learning, especially spiritual things. Through the prophet Moroni, the Lord gave us this great insight into the role of humility:
I give unto men weakness that they may be humble; and my grace is sufficient for all men that humble themselves before me; for if they humble themselves before me, and have faith in me, then will I make weak things become strong unto them.
--Ether 12:27
Bible:
"And he said unto me, my grace is sufficient for thee; for my strength is made perfect in weakness."
--2 Cor. 12:9
MORMON
ATTITUDES OF SUPERIORITY
1. Im Superior; I have a special gift of the holy Ghost -- you dont! 2. Im Superior; I have Gods true priesthood power -- you dont! 3. Im Superior; I can go in Gods secret Temple -- you cant! 4. Im Superior; Ive been Endowed with special Gifts and Knowledge -- youre just normal! 5. Im Superior; Ill have my family with me in heaven -- youll be with strangers! 6. Im Superior; Im becoming a God -- you arent! 7. Im Superior; My women know their place as servants of man and yours dont. 8. Im Superior; YOUR creeds are wrong because they come from man - mine comes from God (you can find each one printed in our Scriptures). 9. Im Superior; I dont HAVE a creed - Ive got 13 Articles of Faith. 10. I'm Superior; I have 4 "Bibles"-- the standard works (5 if you count the JST) -- you've only got one: in as far as it is translated correctly. 11. Im Superior; I can lie with impunity about such things as church membership, church growth, church doctrine, church history, church influence, etc. -- You cant. 12. Im Superior; I am right (everybody knows) when I say 'evangelical' Christians are lunatics -- -- Youre a hideous narrow-minded bigot, who is persecuting me by practicing discrimination by saying I'm not a Christian. 13. I'm Superior; I have a testimony about a prophet -- you don't. 14. I'm Superior; I have a Scripture-producing Amos 3:7 prophet -- you don't 15. Im Superior; I have a Living Prophet who talks to god every day -- you have a dim-witted hireling of Satan who only talks to himself. 16. I'm Superior; I have my calling & election made sure -- you don't. 17. Im Superior; I have magic underwear to protect me from the bogey man -- you dont. 18. Im Superior; I have secret clasps and grips to give the angel so I get admitted to the celestial kingdom -- you dont ;so you cant. 19. I'm Superior; I know secret handshake codes for afterlife entrances-- you don't. 20. Im Superior; I will see Joseph Smith setting on the right hand of GOD, when I get to Mormon heaven, and he will recognize me and judge me favorably -- Youre on your own; when you get to wherever youre going! 21. Im Superior; Im going to hie to Kolob -- youre going to who knows where. 22. Im Superior; I get to have a harem and act like a celestial stud for time and all eternity -- you dont. 23. Im Superior; I have sun stones, moon stones, sky stones, cloud stones, Saturn stones, and the evil eye of Osirus guarding my temple -- all you have is a stupid cross. 24. Im Superior; My church has billions in assets stashed away -- yours has taken a stupid vow of poverty. 25. I'm Superior; Last - we have the power to keep a whole race out of our priesthood if we wanted to reinsert our 148-year legacy (we ARE still keeping an entire GENDER at bay!) Revision 46.1
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Poor Ol' Elsie: put on MORMON SHUN by the great apologist, Restornu, once again.
It must be rough, biting one's tongue, to keep from lashing out at MORMON Quotes and Scripture that ELSIE keeps posting.
And there is STILL that annoying UNTRUE thing he keeps badgering us with!
http://mi.byu.edu/publications/transcripts/?id=30
HE is a SHE.
Or so claims.
(She also claims to have been a PRESBYTERIAN at one point in her life; but has never shown any evidence of it one way or another.
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