Posted on 11/08/2009 7:04:08 AM PST by Gamecock
“Again, not whining. Correction. And you were the one that called us “unAmerican”, therefore you where the one whining.”
Bashing other religions is most certainly un-American.
“Why do you keep bashing away at the posters here? “
I do not ever bash someones religion. I stand against those who do.
“(Is that done to the glory of Anglicanism?)” See, you can’t help yourself, can you?
“Well, you’re keeping things fairly negative. You’re not very bashful about bashing.”
The negative tone was set by you and your threadmates, I did my best to raise the tone, but you guys would have none of it.
But, you’ll note I have not and will not bash your religious views, while you, digging into my posts on other threads (which you are obviously free to do) simply could not resist finding out my religion so that you can......I can only guess you’ll be bashing it.
But again, you show no shame, at least so far, so I expect you to keep on doing your thing and pointing out who is or is not more Christian than you, and how God likes you best of all.
It’s amusingly childish, but at least I’ve broken up this little Talibanic enclave. My work has been successful!
The Articles of Faith
of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression.
We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.
Joseph Smith
You don't understand...
You are like millions of people that go around and quote scripture...but have no idea what that piece of scripture means.
Context is everything...friend.
Get some!
“Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.” - Jude 1:3
What is it that Jude has in mind when he admonishes us to “contend earnestly for the faith?” The verb he employs means to struggle for or to fight for. It was used to describe the strenuous, even grueling effort that Greek athletes exerted in their competitions. Jude uses it to call believers to stand firm on the truth of God’s Word—energetically, forcefully, going to great lengths and at great pains, if necessary—in order to insist that His revealed truth is not compromised. - Thomas Ascol
Context is everything...friend.
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You are so correct. Context IS everything. In Bible college, we had the 20/20 or 50/50 rule (depending upon length of book). The rule went: examine AT LEAST the 20 (or 50) verses BEFORE and AFTER the verse in question to determine context. That was the minimum. Ideally, context is best found in the book in it’s entirety or in the Bible as a whole.
“Cult” groups almost always use verses out of context and on people with little or no Biblical literacy. That is how I got roped in to the LDS, and discovering the context of their “proof texts” is how I was led out.
It is also why I went to Bible College after I got out.
You said: “Debate over theological differences is healthy and good. I personally think that it too often crosses the line into something rhetorically indistinguishable from things in conflict with our constitutional rights, and something that is dehumanizing. It’s really disheartening to hear this sort of religious intolerance.”
So... debate over theological differences is ‘really’ crypto-anti-constitutional? How can this be unless you believe that the First Amendment guarantee of freedom of religion is actually a guarantee of freedom from religion? Retreating into obscurantism is not debate. This thread is in fact an exercise of religious tolerance, not intolerance: disagreement (however vulgarly full of exclamation points!!! and ALL CAPS) is not suppression, nor is it dehumanizing. Admittedly, ‘bashing’ other religions may be off-putting, but it is rhetorically indistinguishable from healthy debate over theological differences - ‘bashing’ being in the eye of the beholder.
This is precisely what the First Amendment was intended to protect: a full opportunity to speak, not one circumscribed by those in power, whether the limits are called blasphemy, censorship, political correctness, or “our constitutional rights.” You are an equal in this debate, not an arbiter. Whining that those with a religious conviction are having an unfettered expression of those views here, and this activity is “most certainly un-American,” is to claim that whatever you personally don’t like must be unconstitutional. To claim to be the constitution is arguably correct for Queen Elizabeth II of England, but to make such a claim here in the United States is sadly misguided and, well, un-American.
We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
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Why thank you Saundra...
I dont know why you PINGed me with this...
Your mormon religious beliefs..
Your three separate mormon gods...
While in Christianity we have just one God, the Holy Three in One, the Trinity...
God the Father, God the Son, also called the Word, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost..
For there are three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1 John 5:7
We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
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What no pearl of great price ???
In Christianity we believe that The Bible is the ONLY Word of God...
Both the Old Testament and the New Testament...
“We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; “
Actually, the Bible is not necessarily translated. We have the original manuscripts. There is technically no correct translations. When in doubt, you have to go back to the original language. Check out http://www.e-sword.net for some good software.
We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
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In Christianity we believe that Jesus came to save both men and women, equally...
regardless of color or nationality...
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Galations 3:28
And they sang a new song: “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased men for God from every tribe and language and people and nation. Revelation 5:9
We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
__________________________________________
In Christianity we believe that Jesus came to save both men and women, equally...
regardless of color or nationality...
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Galations 3:28
And they sang a new song: “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation. Revelation 5:9
We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
_____________________________________________
Christianity doesnt seem to list a way to “so forth”
However, do the mormons practice the rest at every service ???
Or have they just D&C 132d them ???
We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
The jury is still out on this one...
Remember mormons were to swear that they would forever be disruptive enemies of the United States government...
That would be “terrorists”...
Actually, there are no original manuscripts left. You are correct in that there are no correct translations. The Septuagint and the NT in koine Greek of the time are closer to what the Church kept during all those years before Gutenberg than anything else that we have, but we also have 3rd and 4th century copies that are not necessarily 100% in agreement. The earliest fragments that we have are just that; fragments.
You mean that I cannot have 72 virgins wives when I die and become a god and have my own universe that I create?
It IS?? I do???
Well then; post something contrary to PROVE me wrong!
Oh?
Since when?
Ok then; went does pointing out error in theology end and 'bashing' start?
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