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Could Aliens Actually be Fallen Angels?
http://home.flash.net/~manniac/fallen.htm ^

Posted on 10/25/2009 5:37:25 AM PDT by Ancient Drive

I think that to completely dismiss the "alien" abductions and UFO sightings is just not very intelligent. The truth is that SOME

THING is doing these things. People have their unborne babies taken with no trace. People awake with peices of symetrical metal under their skin with no visible mark. People have thousands of hours of UFO videos, of which SOME are quite legitimate. There have been millions who have said they've been abducted. I highly doubt that every single one is lying. Even if just 5 people are telling the truth then there IS somthing "out there".

As a Christian I find no evidence in the Bible that God created any other forms of life not on Earth. But then how do you explain the alien phenomenom?

What is it that's abducting people, performing surgical tests, doing genetic testing, etc..? You could say that the gov't has bred hybrid human life forms that do this, but that seems unlikely. Maybe though, Im not throwing that theory away altogether.

I strongly beleive that the Bible is full of explanations as to what these "aliens" really are. The word alien simply means not of this planet. Therefor God is an alien. And so is another creation of his. The only thing he created besides us humans. Angels. Way back in time Lucifer tried to attain God's level of power. He was cast out of heavan along with 1/3 of all the angels(the ones who followed Lucifer). Him and his followers were cast into what the Bible calls the "Third Heavan". The third heavan is simply the universe. Space, the sky around the earth, etc.../

Contrary to most people's beleif, Satan was NOT cast into hell. He was cast into the 3rd heavan. He was also given the title, "Prince of the Power of the Air". The bible says that he and his fallen angels inhabit the 3rd heavan, or our universe.

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2 Thes 2:9-Even him (refering to AntiChrist), whose coming is after the working of Satan withall power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, thatthey might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie...

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Along with this passage it is said that one of the AntiChrists first miracles to attempt to persuade the people of his power will be to call fire from the sky. This could be taken several ways since Revelation is highly symbolic, but it COULD represent the AntiChrist(who IS satan) calling HIS fallen angels(the aliens) out and into the open. Imagine if Hitler at the height of his power had called down a fleet of millions of aliens complete with UFOs. What if he claimed to have direct relations with them and said that together with these aliens the human race would go into the future. More than likely MANY people, even non-Nazis, would follow Hitler like a god. This I beleive is just what the AC will do.

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We wrestle not with flesh and blood, but with principalities and powers, with wicked spirits in high places, literally, "in the heavens" "in the aerial regions" Eph.6:12

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Luke 21...and there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth will be anxiety of nations with bewilderment, of sound, of sea and of surf, men fainting at heart from fear and expecting of the things which are coming on the earth. For the powers, the dominions of the heavens will be shaken.

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Also notice the description of a huge army led by Satan in Revelation 9. It says that this army were like locusts with the face of men. Imagine for a second what a locust head with a humanoid face on it would look like...

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"God promised that a descendant of Eve's would crush satan(a foreshadow of Jesus). Now if you were Satan, and you wanted to prevent this, what would you do?

Hmmm...

Pollute the bloodline, perhaps?

"The Nephilim were on the earth in those days - and also afterward - when the sons of God(those God had created, the fallen angels here) went to the daughters of men and had children by them'So the Lord said, I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth ... for I am grieved that I have made them.' But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord." Genesis 6:4-8

"Noah was the only one who had not been affected by the apparent sexual and genetic experiments carried out by these fallen angels. ALSO, in the New Testament it says that "AS in the days of NOAH, so to shall the coming of the son of man(Jesus' 2nd Coming) be."

Excerpted from "Come Sail Away" by Guy Malone http://www.AlienResistance.org Roswell NM

The scripture above tells a part of what it was like in the days of Noah. Notice too that the whole alien abduction frenzy didn't start until the late 1940's, when Israel became a nation. Israel becoming a nation is the single most significant prophecy that has been fuflfilled. For thousands of years there was no Israel. Then in the late 40's Israel became a nation.

ALSO: PER CAPITA the country with the most abduction accounts is Israel. The US has the most, but per capita its Israel. That is significant.

99.9% of people in the world beleive that these "things" are aliens from another planet, that is IF they even beleive in them. A VERY few think that they are actually the fallen angels of the Bible. The AntiChrist would have an easy time convincing people of his authority if he were to call down fleets of UFO's from the sky.

The fact that most people beleive they are aliens and not fallen angels would present the AntiChrist with an incredible oppourtunity to deceive.

Given the evidence above, I would like to know what you all think now. And really consider it...

-Sean Cannon

Here's something written by Jim Gregg in response to this article-

Indeed, the fallen angels are quite busy trying to undermine God's creation. Originally, all angels were created by God to carry out the specifics of terra-forming all those planets that were and will be inhabited in the future. Angels are not married, nor are they given in marriage. So, angels are created without all the aggressions we have (They don't need all those troublesome hormones we have). We were created a little lower than the angels, it says. They all have their specific areas of purpose. some will handle the garden while others will attend to the development and placement of humankind on inhabitable planets. But, all those angels (who remained with God) continue happily to obey God. Satan is the author of the flying saucer. They must sit back and laugh at the mysticism that humans stir up among themselves. There is, without a doubt, life like we humans abounding in the universe. Scientists would be surprised at the commonality of life.....But they would be mostly amazed at the quantity of it. The fact that other planets are inhabited does not disprove God...It proves it all the more. God continues this very minute to create new planets, to harvest those that are ready to be harvested....and most amazingly to me provides the way to salvage all his creation back to himself. It's true about Jesus. He and He alone is the key to our salvation. It's the same every where in the universe. But be careful to put things into perspective....God calls us sheep. We have our puspose in creation also. We can understand all mysteries and have knowledge of all that is contained in creation and know the purpose of it all....But without love the Bible says that we are like a clanging symbol. Our ultimate purpose is to obey God....and that's the undebateable, indisputeable truth.>/P>

Thanks, Jim Gregg.


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KEYWORDS: aliens; angels; antichrist; paralleluniverses; satan; timetravel; wormholes
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To: Just mythoughts

By the time BamaKennedy and his wrecking crew get finished with US most will welcome something out of this ‘earth’ to come and save US.

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There’s some deliberateness, premeditation in setting it up that way.


41 posted on 10/25/2009 8:23:57 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: RegulatorCountry
I have read and reread the Michael Knibbs translation of Enoch I, but haven't read Charlesworth yet (IIRC it is not available free online yet).

I have wondered how much the two translation might differ (if at all).

Can you comment on any differences between the two?

For anyone interested, here is a link to the online translation of Enoch I by Knibbs...

A Modern English Translation of the Ethiopian Book of Enoch

42 posted on 10/25/2009 8:24:33 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (For good judgment ask...What would Obama do? Then do the opposite!)
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To: Quix

I gather you still think that UFO garbage you post is rational, Quix?


43 posted on 10/25/2009 8:24:46 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

INDEED.


44 posted on 10/25/2009 8:25:12 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Ancient Drive

45 posted on 10/25/2009 8:27:48 AM PDT by GOPyouth (Obama doesn't support it, except when he does.)
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To: big'ol_freeper

WOOP WOOP.

You might wait a long time.

Scripture is mostly silent. Arguing from silence, as Walter Martin asserted . . . is a foolish exercise.

On the other hand, Guy Malone’s research

available at

http://www.ANCIENTofDAYS.net

is quite scholarly and conclusive, imho . . . his panel’s analsysis of Genesis and other passages convinces me . . . somewhat reluctantly that all of them currently known for flitting about . . . are fallen angels.

Certainly that’s what they act like. They are NOT God’s angels. They ARE in cahoots with satan toward establishing the global government.

Given that last point, it does NOT MATTER if they are citizens of distant planets or fallen angels or a mixture.


46 posted on 10/25/2009 8:29:37 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Ancient Drive
An excellent recent in-depth study of this issue is Lights in the Sky and Little Green Men: a Rational Christian Look at Ufos and Extraterrestrrials, by Ross, Clark and Samples. Here is a synopsis from memory.

After eliminating rational explanations for 95% or so of UFO reports, there remains residual UFOs (RUFOs). The challenge is to explain these.

Interstellar travel is shown to be practically impossible, thus eliminating extraterrestrial explanations.

RUFOs exhibit the ability to defy the laws of physics in various ways, which argues strongly for a demonic (fallen angel) explanation.

Additionally, the authors conclude that one's self-exposure to occult practices permits this access by demons.

47 posted on 10/25/2009 8:29:49 AM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God is, and (2) God is good?)
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To: Petronski

as greys will . . .

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Ahhhhh Petronski, y’all do NOT REALLY NEED to display total ignorance about greys, TOOOOOOOOO!


48 posted on 10/25/2009 8:30:56 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: reagan_fanatic

INDEED.


49 posted on 10/25/2009 8:32:10 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
Imagine that: you claim I'm ignorant of your paranoid fantasies and somehow I'm the one with a problem.
50 posted on 10/25/2009 8:33:04 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: RowdyFFC

Sounds like you NEED

to read up on the topic a GREAT DEAL MORE

before you run into one and get snookered.

Remember . . . Paul said that if any other creature came preaching any other Gospel, consider him accursed.

THEY DO.

Remember . . . we are exhorted to test the spirits and any critter that doesn’t admit, believe that Jesus came in the flesh . . . . etc.

is to be accursed.

THEY FAIL ON BOTH COUNTS.


51 posted on 10/25/2009 8:37:02 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: buck61

AMEN!


52 posted on 10/25/2009 8:38:09 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Rappini

Yeah,

a rash of the rabidly hostile naysaying cliques have been descending on such threads with their usual clueless ignorant derision, sounding as stupid as ever.


53 posted on 10/25/2009 8:39:44 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Lazamataz

Somebody tell Louis Farrakhan to stay off Free Republic. The only fallen Angels on Earth will be revealed either tonight or tomorrow night in the Bronx.


54 posted on 10/25/2009 8:41:06 AM PDT by gusty
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To: Natural Law

The parallel traits, qualities, behaviors, features that Guy Malone’s group at

http://www.ANCIENTofDAYS.net

document are quite significant, imho.


55 posted on 10/25/2009 8:41:16 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: RegulatorCountry

WELL SAID.


56 posted on 10/25/2009 8:42:43 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Don’t you think you’ve spammed that commercial site on this thread enough for one day?

What’s your cut?


57 posted on 10/25/2009 8:42:45 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies; Alamo-Girl

This is taken off the bottom of my home page.

She does not respect greatly, IIRC, the other versions of the Book of Enoch.

The links work there:

ALAMO-GIRL COMMENTARY ON 1 ENOCH:
To: RegulatorCountry; Quix

Thank you so much for your reply and your question!

How do you perceive 1 Enoch, in relation to God? I view it as a very useful means of gaining added understanding, regarding Biblical passages that have been rendered somewhat cryptic due to its exclusion, and find this approach valid due to the clear esteem in which this writing was held by numerous Biblical figures, including Apostles and Jesus Christ himself.

I pulled the following excerpt from this link a few years back. You can still see the article here.:

The Book of Enoch (also known as 1 Enoch) was once cherished by Jews and Christians alike, this book later fell into disfavor with powerful theologians-precisely because of its controversial statements on the nature and deeds of the fallen angels...
The theme of the Book of Enoch dealing with the nature and deeds of the fallen angels so infuriated the later Church fathers that one, Filastrius, actually condemned it openly as heresy (Filastrius, Liber de Haeresibus, no. 108). Nor did the rabbis deign to give credence to the book’s teaching about angels. Rabbi Simeon ben Jochai in the second century A.D. pronounced a curse upon those who believed it (Delitzsch, p. 223).

So the book was denounced, banned, cursed, no doubt burned and shredded-and last but not least, lost (and conveniently forgotten) for a thousand years. But with an uncanny persistence, the Book of Enoch found its way back into circulation two centuries ago.

In 1773, rumors of a surviving copy of the book drew Scottish explorer James Bruce to distant Ethiopia. True to hearsay, the Book of Enoch had been preserved by the Ethiopic church, which put it right alongside the other books of the Bible...

Though it was once believed to be post-Christian (the similarities to Christian terminology and teaching are striking), recent discoveries of copies of the book among the Dead Sea Scrolls found at Qumran prove that the book was in existence before the time of Jesus Christ. But the date of the original writing upon which the second century B.C. Qumran copies were based is shrouded in obscurity. It is, in a word, old...

There is abundant proof that Christ approved of the Book of Enoch. Over a hundred phrases in the New Testament find precedents in the Book of Enoch.

Another remarkable bit of evidence for the early Christians’ acceptance of the Book of Enoch was for many years buried under the King James Bible’s mistranslation of Luke 9:35, describing the transfiguration of Christ: “And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, ‘This is my beloved Son: hear him.” Apparently the translator here wished to make this verse agree with a similar verse in Matthew and Mark. But Luke’s verse in the original Greek reads: “This is my Son, the Elect One (from the Greek ho eklelegmenos, lit., “the elect one”): hear him.”

The “Elect One” is a most significant term (found fourteen times) in the Book of Enoch. If the book was indeed known to the apostles of Christ, with its abundant descriptions of the Elect One who should “sit upon the throne of glory” and the Elect One who should “dwell in the midst of them,” then the great scriptural authenticity is accorded to the Book of Enoch when the “voice out of the cloud” tells the apostles, “This is my Son, the Elect One”-the one promised in the Book of Enoch.

The Book of Jude tells us in vs. 14 that “Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied...” Jude also, in vs. 15, makes a direct reference to the Book of Enoch (2:1), where he writes, “to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly...” ...

Many of the early church fathers also supported the Enochian writings. Justin Martyr ascribed all evil to demons whom he alleged to be the offspring of the angels who fell through lust for women (from the Ibid.)-directly referencing the Enochian writings.

Athenagoras, writing in his work called Legatio in about 170 A.D., regards Enoch as a true prophet. He describes the angels which “violated both their own nature and their office.” In his writings, he goes into detail about the nature of fallen angels and the cause of their fall, which comes directly from the Enochian writings.

Many other church fathers: Tatian (110-172); Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyons (115-185); Clement of Alexandria (150-220); Tertullian (160-230); Origen (186-255); Lactantius (260-330); in addition to: Methodius of Philippi, Minucius Felix, Commodianus, and Ambrose of Milanalso-also approved of and supported the Enochian writings...

One by one the arguments against the Book of Enoch fade away. The day may soon arrive when the final complaints about the Book of Enoch’s lack of historicity and “late date” are also silenced by new evidence of the book’s real antiquity.

When I read Scripture, God brings the words alive within me. His words are spirit and life. The words of men are neither spirit nor life.

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life. – John 6:63

This does not happen (yet) when I read I Enoch and therefore I do not consider it Scripture even though I am drawn in the Spirit to read it.
In a nutshell, I know it is important if only for background on Genesis 6 and prophecy.

Oh, and I do not recall the crevo thread. I’ve been around since ‘98 and have been on many of them. But if I run into it again, I’ll let you know.

55 posted on Sunday, June 14, 2009 10:52:42 PM by Alamo-Girl


58 posted on 10/25/2009 8:46:58 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: JoeMac

You are poorly informed on the topic.

Abductees as a group tend to be:

1. slightly but significantly above average in IQ

2. from all walks of life . . . including Dr’s, Lawyers, engineers, military officers and enlisted, government officials, UN officials, authors, commercial pilots, . . .

3. They are also slightly but significantly above average in terms of general level of sanity and lack of neuroticism.

4. They do have a slightly elevated Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome score . . . AS ONE WOULD EXPECT, DOH!

5. There may be a greater percentage with more creativity and “Emotional IQ” than the average population.


59 posted on 10/25/2009 8:51:15 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: RegulatorCountry

INDEED.


60 posted on 10/25/2009 8:52:26 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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