A Message To Those Who Will Be/Are Left Behind - The Rapture of the Church

The Ignorant Fishermen Blog ^ | 8/13/09 | DJP I.F.

[The Ignorant Fisherman]

Greetings in the Name of The Lord Jesus Christ! This brief letter is written to those of you who have been left behind. May I calm your great anxiety and fears with this great message of hope! God loves you and cares greatly for you. He has a great plan, purpose and future for you and your life. He wants only and always the highest and best things for you. So please give your ear and full attention to the words that follow. The days ahead will be days that will not be easy - in fact they will be quite horrendous. But be of good cheer and of good courage. Have Faith in Almighty God and His Word.

Jesus said, For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but hath everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved (John 3:16-17).

God so loved us that He sent His Son Jesus Christ to die on the cross for your sins and mine! God has thus provided a way to restore fellowship with sinners (all humans), and to remove His righteous wrath that was upon us because of our sins and trespasses

[SkyDancer]

Ok - I get it. Instead of debating the issue, as have been done numerous times over the years by better informed apologists ... get personal.

[Lee N. Field]

Finally, an honest dispensationalist who at least admits that you need to adopt The System® before going to the Bible if you want to locate “dispensational truths”.

Drink the Koolaid, and all seems to become clear.

[John Leland 1789]

Archiving. Will add tract soon.

[Seven_0]

According to Jesus, the ones left behind are the righteous.

In Matthew 24:37-41, the evil are taken by judgment (they knew not until the flood came and took them all away), however in Revelation 14:14-20 The evil are left behind for judgment. These may be two different events.

Seven

[Quix]

UNMITIGATED BALDERDASH

. . . yet again!

Ahhhhhhhhhh . . . or Awwwwwwwww

on my part is usually a sighing awareness yet again that

REPLACEMENTARIANS et al

ARE STILL FLINGING the same

UNBIBLICAL, UNHISTORICAL, ILLOGICAL, UNTRUE

RUBBERIZED SLUG SLIME

they’ve been flinging for a long time.

It’s the REPLACEMENTARIANS et al who’s biases won’t let them

even

READ SCRIPTURE AT FACE VALUE.

[aruanan]

In Matthew 24:37-41, the evil are taken by judgment (they knew not until the flood came and took them all away), however in Revelation 14:14-20 The evil are left behind for judgment. These may be two different events.

You're not reading Matthew in any but a knee-jerk manner. Actually read Jesus's description of the end of the world.

[Quix]

I don't recall laying out a "Rapture Theory."

The verses that talk about "The Rapture"

typically talk about "caught up" and "in the clouds."

Those referring to the

SECOND COMING

typically mention GREAT POWER AND GLORY and other very DRAMATIC, ENTRY TO ARMAGEDDON CONQUEST sorts of images, words and phrases.

And the REPLACEMENTARIAN et al RUBBER DICTIONARIES don't seem to have words or phrases that allow those characters to have a microgram's understanding of either event.

[LiteKeeper]

My understanding is that the Rapture and the Second Coming are two different events. Do you see it that way?

[Quix]

ACTUALLY, I was writing EXTREMELY GENERICALLY.

BTW, BETTER informed apologists than ????

ENGLISH LESSONS FOR NAYSAYERS RE INSULTS AND DIFFERENT VS SAME:

It appears that a major proportion of the naysayers need some ENGLISH REFRESHER LESSONS:

“personal”

IS NOT REALLY that difficult a concept.

It comes from the word “person.”

A “PERSON” is

DIFFERENT from

1. A GROUP
2. THEY
3. Y’ALL
4. THEM
5. SOME OF THEM
6. CADRE
7. A COLLECTION OF
8. ALL Y'ALL
9. ALL Y'ALLS
10. CLIQUE
11. COLLECTION

WHICH IS DIFFERENT FROM [i.e. NOT the SAME as; i.e. NOT EQUAL TO]:

A “PERSON” IS directly associated with

1. YOU
2. HE
3. SHE

I realize that the more chronic naysayers tend to have a dreadfully difficult time distinguishing between

DIFFERENT

VS

SAME

but it does make it a lot easier when some of them try.

AND, I realize that the more chronic naysayers have this THING about falling chronic prey to

OBSESSIVE-ADDICTIVE:
WILD-HAIRED--EXTRAPOLATING, ASSUMING, INFERRING . . .

however, as I understand things . . .

EXTRAPOLATING, ASSUMING, INFERRING

[accurately or not]

PERSONAL “INSULT” DOES NOT COUNT.

The rules have to do with plainly written PERSONAL insult.

We will return screens to regularly scheduled programming after the following freebie additional refresher lesson:

This English Comprehension lesson has concluded.

DISTINCTIONS REALLY ARE IMPORTANT.

DISTINGUISHING

THE DIFFERENCE

BETWEEN

THE CHURCH AGE

VS THE MILLENNIAL AGE

IS IMPORTANT IN SCRIPTURE. It could rationally be considered important in life.

DISTINGUISHING

THE DIFFERENCE

BETWEEN

AN INDIVIDUAL

VS

A GROUP

IS IMPORTANT.

DISTINGUISHING

THE DIFFERENCE

BETWEEN

calling even a group idiotic vs a belief, perspective, idea, doctrine idiotic

IS IMPORTANT.

I’m beginning to wonder if it’s something in the holy water that REPLACEMENTARIAN, preterist, amil’s & post-mils might drink that renders them incapable of making important distinctions.

Of course, the awake, aware and alert need no such lessons and the otherwise will not heed them but . . . just for the record, there they are! LOL.

[Quix]

Naaawwwwww

The Kool-Aid

concession is

REPLACEMENTARIAN et al turf, for sure.

[Quix]

Be safe, Bro.

[Quix]

I certainly do.

They are described different, characterized differently and seem to NECESSARILY be at different times.

[Quix]

One writer I came across spelled out in more detail than I got caught up in . . .

the he’s convinced there are 2-3 or more “Raptures”

. . . kind of different harvests at different times.

I’ve often speculated that such might be the case.

Might also be a reason for not specifying more clearly exactly what’s to occur.

[Quix]

It’s the

REPLACEMENTARIANS ET AL

who see to have yet to learn how to read The Word at face value . . . much at all.

. . . and some RC’s who like to periodically join the compulsive chronic mocking and rock throwing brigade.

[topcat54]

I don't recall laying out a "Rapture Theory." The verses that talk about "The Rapture" ... Those referring to the SECOND COMING

And in your world, which category does 2 Thess. 2:5-8 fall into? TIF indicated it was a rapture verse back here. Do you agree?

[topcat54]

You said RUBBER …. The Quixomatic RUBBER Meter® is at 2 for the day.

Contestant Q

Thank you for playing. A new game will begin tomorrow.

[Quix]

Ms De Mare

seems to be a bit slow, today.

Please be sure and polish my points with baking soda.

I didn’t like the toothpaste you were using.

[LiteKeeper]

Yuppers!

[Seven_0]

You're not reading Matthew in any but a knee-jerk manner. Actually read Jesus's description of the end of the world.

I'm not sure what you mean. I agreed with you on Matthew 24, The righteous are left behind (vs 41,41). It is Revelation 14 where the righteous are taken and the evil are left behind. I believe that Matthew takes place at the end of the tribulation and Revelation 14: happens prior to Matthew 24.

Rev 14:15-20 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

Seven

[Quix]

HMMMMMM
John 14:3, 1 John 3:2, Rev 4:1, 2 Thess. 2:5-8

3-5Before that day comes, a couple of things have to happen. First, the Apostasy. Second, the debut of the Anarchist, a real dog of Satan. He'll defy and then take over every so-called god or altar. Having cleared away the opposition, he'll then set himself up in God's Temple as "God Almighty." Don't you remember me going over all this in detail when I was with you? Are your memories that short?

.

1. The apostasy could likely come more or less at any time.

2. A most likely time would be after the fallen angels claiming to be ET's declare convincingly with 'historical 3D holographic videos' that they created ALL the religious leaders of history, including Jesus . . . and performed their miracles via their advanced technologies.

3. I would expect AntiChrist's overt appearance to be coordinated closely with the overt manifestations of the "ET'S" . . . part of his fallen angel army.

4. It's plausible to me that THE RAPTURE would take place just before or right at the time or not long after the appearance of the AC. I can't imagine it happening after mid-trib, however. Scripture is clear that we are not appointed unto God's wrath.

6-8You'll also remember that I told you the Anarchist is being held back until just the right time. That doesn't mean that the spirit of anarchy is not now at work. It is, secretly and underground. But the time will come when the Anarchist will no longer be held back, but will be let loose. But don't worry. The Master Jesus will be right on his heels and blow him away. The Master appears and—puff!—the Anarchist is out of there.

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This verse makes it clear that CHRIST COMING IN POWER AND GLORY TO DEAL WITH THE ANTICHRIST DECISIVELY OCCURS AT THE END OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION. No other conclusion is possible given the whole counsel of Scripture.

John 14
The Road
1-4 "Don't let this throw you. You trust God, don't you? Trust me. There is plenty of room for you in my Father's home. If that weren't so, would I have told you that I'm on my way to get a room ready for you? And if I'm on my way to get your room ready, I'll come back and get you so you can live where I live. And you already know the road I'm taking."

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This verse merely affirms that CHRIST IS COMING BACK TO TAKE US TO BE WITH HIM. There are no time or sequence markers. From the whole counsel of Scripture, it's more than plausible to construe that He IS talking about The Rapture but it's not clear in this text.

1 JOHN 3:2
2-3But friends, that's exactly who we are: children of God. And that's only the beginning. Who knows how we'll end up! What we know is that when Christ is openly revealed, we'll see him—and in seeing him, become like him. All of us who look forward to his Coming stay ready, with the glistening purity of Jesus' life as a model for our own.

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This verse is similar to the one where we are 'changed in the twinkling of an eye.' Seems to be speaking of THE RAPTURE.

REV 4:1
1 Then I looked, and, oh!—a door open into Heaven. The trumpet-voice, the first voice in my vision, called out, "Ascend and enter. I'll show you what happens next."

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Is that a joke? Who imagined that would relate to THE RAPTURE or THE 2ND COMING???? That merely relates to John being called up higher to see more of his vision. I guess rubber 'Bible' readers have trouble with the unrubberized authentic Scriptures.

Now, let the REPLACEMENTARIANS et al, who've demanded so much explanation by so many of us DISPYS . . . what is your timeline on your construction on reality vis a vis the RAPTURE AND SECOND COMING VERSES????

OH, that's right . . . REPLACEMENTARIANS, et al . . . are great at DEMANDING stuff of others that they wouldn't touch THEMSELVES with a 100 foot pole.

I won't hold my breath.

Kind of reminds me of another collection of Scriptures.

MAT 23:3-5
LUKE 11:45-47
MAT 23:12-15;
MAT 23:22-28;
MARK 7:5-7;