Queen 'Appalled' at Church of England Moves, Claim Vatican Moles

The Daily Telegraph ^ | 10/3/09 | Richard Eden

[Cronos]

Britain has not "always had an independent tradition from Rome"

From the time of the Anglo-Saxons, they moved closer to Latin Rite Catholicism, moved away from Celtic Catholicism and they were very dear to The Church until Henry VIII wanted to have as many wives as Mohammmad.

[Marysecretary]

Her own son has grown tolerant of them, and perhaps even IS one secretly.

[buccaneer81]

Her late daughter-in-law was sleeping with one.

[Marysecretary]

Yes, that’s right. I had forgotten that.

[sinsofsolarempirefan]

The influence of the Roman Catholic church was widely hated, resented and feared in England for most of the time, with its purchased indulgences, corrupt clergy and the hated tithe, which was a essentially a tax levied upon the English by a foreign power in Rome.

The reason why Henry VIII was able to get away with breaking the church away from Rome was because the groundswell of support for the break away from a Church that was seen as irredeemably corrupt and material was already there.

[omega4412]

Maybe the Queen is thinking of her coronation oath:

The Archbishop of Canterbury: "Will you to the utmost of your power maintain the Laws of God and the true profession of the Gospel? Will you to the utmost of your power maintain in the United Kingdom the Protestant Reformed Religion established by law? Will you maintain and preserve inviolable the settlement of the Church of England, and the doctrine, worship, discipline, and government thereof, as by law established in England? ...

The Queen: "All this I promise to do. The things which I have here before promised, I will perform, and keep. So help me God."

[Cronos]

The influence of the Roman Catholic church was widely hated, resented and feared in England for most of the time, with its purchased indulgences, corrupt clergy and the hated tithe, which was a essentially a tax levied upon the English by a foreign power in Rome.

Ha. Where did you get that? Right up until Henry VII (8th's dad), most of Europe considered itself ONE entity -- Christendom. There was no foreign power like Italia or Rome and Christendom had the spiritual representative as the Bishop of Rome.

In contrast to your statement, the English were staunchly Christian and supported the crusades. Even during Henry's time, the common people detested Henry's grab for Church property and his destruction of the monasteries ruined a lot of civil life.

[sinsofsolarempirefan]

Luther’s and earlier ‘heretics’ works were very influential in England at the time Henry VIII broke away from Rome. If this were not so, he wouldn’t have broken with Rome in the first place. People like Thomas Cromwell and Anne Boleyn were already protestants long before the break with Rome, and they lobbied Henry to make the break.... This wasn’t just a unilateral decision on Henry’s part, but one that he was persuaded into by others.

Ironically, in spite of his political break with Rome, Henry VIII was actually a lifelong Catholic, and worshiped according to the latin rite until the day he died.... It was others who pushed to destroy the ‘catholic’ aspects of the Church of England once the break had been made, which clearly demonstrates that these elements were already long established and hostile to Rome before the schism....

[BnBlFlag]

Bingo!

[terycarl]

you need to read more and talk less, your theories of the split from Catholocism are “strained” to say the least

[sinsofsolarempirefan]

So your theory is that Henry VIII made a unilateral decision in a ferociously Roman Catholic country and that people only started taking in the ideas of Luther and others after the split?

I’d love to hear you expand upon this theory, seeing as you are so knowledgable about it....

[Cronos]

Luther’s and earlier ‘heretics’ works were very influential in England at the time Henry VIII broke away from Rome. If this were not so, he wouldn’t have broken with Rome in the first place.People like Thomas Cromwell and Anne Boleyn were already protestants long before the break with Rome, and they lobbied Henry to make the break.... This wasn’t just a unilateral decision on Henry’s part, but one that he was persuaded into by others.

Henry wasn't a Protestant theologically. He considered himself most Catholic and against the lutheran and calvinist philosophies. He maintained the same episcopate, only putting himself in charge of the church in England, thereby allowing him to:
1. appropriate all the money and land
2. divorce and marry as much as he wished.

[sinsofsolarempirefan]

I know, I did mention that. Considering that Henry VIII was a lifelong catholic, the Protestantising zeal for reform of the Church in England couldn’t have come from him. Although apparently, some people seem to think this is the case when it is pretty basic knowledge for anyone who knows anything about the English reformation...