Your implicit claim of omniscience should probably been taken with a grain of salt.
You are a sad, little man.
Posted on 09/21/2009 5:51:47 AM PDT by Colofornian
The 8th Article of Faith states: "We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God."
In the title page of the Book of Mormon, we read, "...if there are faults they are the mistakes of men; wherefore, condemn not the things of God."
Lastly, we read the words of Moroni shortly after he took over his father's record: "Condemn me not because of mine imperfection, neither my father, because of his imperfection, neither them who have written before him ... we have written this record according to our knowledge, in the characters which are called among us the reformed Egyptian, ... and if we could have written in Hebrew, behold, ye would have had no imperfection in our record" (Mormon 9:30-31).
As emphasized repeatedly in this series, anything with which man is involved -- even if directed by God -- will be imperfect, fallible and, to some degree, errant. Neither ancient nor modern prophets were, or are, perfect, and the scriptures they've produced will likewise fall short of inerrancy. Fallible human prophets and errant scripture can still lead us to God despite any imperfections.
As explained in previous issues, prophets must communicate revelation -- whether in general-conference addresses or when writing scripture -- according to their own language and their limited understanding of this world and the eternities.
All language is inherently ambiguous -- all have words or phrases that can mean different things to different readers. Take the word "cleave" for example. It can mean to cut something apart -- as in "to cleave a diamond into two smaller stones" -- but it can also mean to cause two things to adhere together, as in "therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh" (Genesis 2:24).
Or how about "critical"? We can be critical of someone else's views, or we can say the Bible is critical to Christianity. The context, time frame, and cultural and other variables can affect how a word is understood. The Bible has gone through various translations and each translator made determinations about the meaning of words based on his or her familiarity with the words and how they would have been used by the specific author. Errors are bound to happen.
Some might be tempted to think that because the Book of Mormon came directly from God to Joseph Smith there shouldn't be any errors. This, however, is a naive assumption. An exact word-for-word translation from one language to another typically yields little more than gibberish.
Even for Joseph to have understood the text, the Lord would have had to translate the Nephite words into something that made sense to Joseph. And it's important to remember that the purpose of translating the Book of Mormon into English was to teach spiritual truths that can cause individuals to receive personal revelation, not to reveal historical truths about the ancient inhabitants of the Americas (more on this in the next issue).
Even if God would have conveyed a perfect text to Joseph Smith, any reader whose language, culture or understanding of English words varied from Joseph's Smith's would -- on their own reading of the text -- naturally misinterpret some passages of text.
What does this mean for us who read the imperfect scriptures? The word of God need not be perfect in order to invoke the power of drawing us closer to God. In Doctrine and Covenants section 128, for example, Joseph Smith quotes Malachi 4:5-6 exactly as it is quoted in the King James Version Bible. In verse 18 the prophet Joseph added: "I might have rendered a plainer translation to this, but it is sufficiently plain to suit my purpose as it stands."
We should take the same approach to the scriptures as we take with the prophets -- we should seek the guidance of the Spirit. While the word of God may contain errors, and while we may not fully understand every nuance of every phrase, word or term in the scriptures, the Holy Spirit has the power to help us understand the word of God in its role of drawing us closer to the divine and opening our hearts to personal revelation.
No. It's just a lot more likely that you're wrong than the Bible.
The Bible is full of fulfilled prophecies. Just because you don't want to believe them, doesn't make them untrue.
You're fooling no one. The only one who thinks you're clever is you.
The O.T. is laden with prophesies concerning Jesus, some fulfilled, some yet to come. Woe to those atheists who will experience some of them in person.
I do not talk to the atheists here, I can only pray for them and hope that folks like you might get through to them some day, therefore I pray for you too. They’re way to smart for me if they are smarter than God.
God bless you in your efforts.
Thanks
Atheist are not smarter than you nor God. If they were they would not be atheist.
I am not much of a prophet am I? : (
Yes, one could.
Did anything Smith say, come to pass?
Yes, it certainly does say a lot. It seems that those that make lots of prophecies, usually have some of them come true.
God is ALL powerful. MORE powerful than CNN and FOX together. HE could put himself into human form and project HIMSELF into everyone’s living room at the same time. HE could speak to all of us simultaneously - and personally. HE doesn’t do that because it would take away our free will and the GIFT of Faith. If HE wanted us to KNOW, we would KNOW. Accept faith - grow spiritually...
Exactly my point concerning your original implicit, presumptuous claim of universal knowledge. I'm not squirming, I merely hold you to your own standard. Thus, I am not required to dispute claims devoid of any evidence
The burden of proof is on you to falsify my claim.
See what Judge Land said to Orly Taitz about who has the burden of proof in an injuction, the Plaintiff or the Defendant. Same kinda deal here.
Cordially,
And I really don't know WHY.
NONE of their SACRED rituals so proudly and purposefully done in the Temple are even FOUND in the book!
They could get rid of it entirely and NOTHING would change in their practice of their religion.
It shows that HE got the memo; too!
You are a sad, little man.
Well!
THAT certainly proves it!
And one day they will choose a church that has the path to the Cross.
But I can give references!
Well... when you believe SO strongly that MORMONism is correct and ALL the others are wrong; what ELSE would you turn to when finding MORMONism comes up lacking?
(Right Binger? ;^)
But not to worry; we keeping praying for a Damascus road experience for all who think they are right. Even me...
Oooops..
Ping to above
Can imperfect scriptures lead to God?,
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Are those “imperfect scriptures” referring to the book of mormon ???
Then no...
But the scriptures in the Bible record what Jesus had to say about how we come to God..
Jesus said “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man comes to the Father except by me.” John 14:6
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