Posted on 09/07/2009 8:28:38 AM PDT by Colofornian
The idea for this talk came from reading some critics about the Book of Abraham. The critics were discussing an Egyptological issue on the internet. You all know these type of critics, the ones who have not the courage of their convictions sufficient to sign their real name to their opinions.
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Contemporary hostile non-Mormon eyewitnesses (surely the gold standard of evidence for present-day hostile non-Mormon critics) as well as Mormon eyewitnesses identify the Book of Abraham as coming from the long scroll in Joseph Smith's possession. The eyewitnesses force us to focus on the long roll, whichever that may be. (And I have actually changed my mind in the past about which roll that was.) If the scroll of Horos is the long scroll (my current position), then, given the length of the Seminis scroll, it is long enough to contain at least one other text, which is not unusual for Documents of Breathing Made by Isis, so the Document of Breathing Made by Isis need not be the Book of Abraham...
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...not every argument or point is worth defending. We do not need to defend every rumor about, every action of, or every offhand opinion of every Church leader, apologist, or member. One needs to know what is most important and that should be defended, but the lesser points are often unimportant. We also do not need to defend mistakes. Even widely held opinions do not need to be defended if they are mistaken. The Book of Mormon does not require a hemispheric geography and even if hemispheric readings have been popular among a certain segment of members, they do not have to be defended.
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Where is the Book of Abraham in this? It isn't. The Book of Abraham is not central to the restored gospel of Jesus Christ. The Church survived for the first fifty years of its existence without the Book of Abraham as part of the scriptural canon. So the first thing to remember about the role of the Book of Abraham in apologetics is that the Church does not rise and fall on the veracity of the Book of Abraham
Q: How can we defend JS as a prophet or his abilities if we can;t defend BoA?
A: Who says we can't? We can defend it. I am saying we must look at entire spectrum of issues, what is important must be considered. It is about determining relative importance. It is an appendage, not central point. We can certainly defend it, but keep it in perspective.
IOW, yes, the Lds will try to defend it -- but quite weakly...You can already recognize the ground they give when they start to describe the Book of Abraham as some weak appendage:
From the article: Where is the Book of Abraham in this? It isn't. The Book of Abraham is not central to the restored gospel of Jesus Christ. The Church survived for the first fifty years of its existence without the Book of Abraham as part of the scriptural canon. So the first thing to remember about the role of the Book of Abraham in apologetics is that the Church does not rise and fall on the veracity of the Book of Abraham
That's like saying: "Our 'prophet/seer' 'translated' 49 things. The 50th thing he 'translated' might not be true. But you know the other 49 things he said were from God doesn't 'rise and fall' on the 50th. Why, that's just an appendage that we might as well whack off."
They neglect that not only does it bring into question Joseph Smith's overall lack of trustworthiness, but it also makes him a false prophet. Deuteronomy 18 is quite clear that it only takes one false prophecy to make one a false prophet. An "honest robber" who was honest 49 out of 50 times in his "financial transactions" is still a thief deserving of jailtime.
More from FAIR...
Critics of the Book of Mormon have mistakenly interpreted "correct" to be synonymous with "perfect," and therefore expect the Book of Mormon to be without any errors in grammar, spelling, punctuation, clarity of phrasing, and other such ways.
But when Joseph Smith said the Book of Mormon was the "most correct of any book," he was referring to more than just wording, a fact made clear by the remainder of his statement: He said "a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book." When read in context, the Prophet's statement refers to the correctness of the principles it teaches.
Latter-day Saints do not subscribe to the conservative Protestant belief in scriptural inerrancy. We do not believe that any book of scripture is perfect or infallible. Brigham Young explained:
So while the Book of Mormon has come down to us with fewer doctrinal errors and corruptions than the Bible, even it could be improved if we were ready to receive further light and knowledge.
Another perfection of the book is its translation. Edward Stevenson related Martin Harris' description of the necessity for the translation to be perfect before the Lord would allow progression to the next character:
The Book of Mormon is the "most correct of any book" in that it contains the fulness of the gospel and presents it in a manner that is "plain and precious
Anyone else feeling the coming attacks on Mitt Romney? I mean they did tell us for months, they hope it’s him that runs, so they can attack. A guaranteed thing, if it’s Romney...
Were Romney ever to make it past the primaries, the MSM would pull out their full barrage: Since Mitt was a tithing member of a church at age 30 which at that point still denied blacks the ability to be priestholders in their church, the MSM would make a Mitt-Barack match-up into a referendum on racism.
Beyond the MSM, imagine pictures of Mitt at age 30 in ads describing his "membership" in an organization the MSM would describe as tantamount to a "whites only club."
From the article above: "Where is the Book of Abraham in this? It isn't. The Book of Abraham is not central to the restored gospel of Jesus Christ. The Church survived for the first fifty years of its existence without the Book of Abraham as part of the scriptural canon. So the first thing to remember about the role of the Book of Abraham in apologetics is that the Church does not rise and fall on the veracity of the Book of Abraham"
So, which is supposed to be the "official" word on the BOA? From Meridian Magazine, and LDS publication, circa 2006
M E R I D I A N M A G A Z I N E
The Abraham Story: An Introduction
By E. Douglas Clark
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Even so, the Genesis account of Abraham and Sarah is at times so terse as to be, as Erich Auerbach describes, fraught with background. [3] Some passages can be downright perplexing, seemingly incongruent or nearly incomprehensible. For example, how is it that the steadfastly faithful Abraham, who had been willing to leave home and kindred at Gods command, suddenly seems to lapse into dismal faithlessness in Egypt by passing his wife off as his sister? Scholars note that he appears to be acting completely out of character [4] in this puzzling [5] and incongruous scene [6] that stands out as a mélange of the credible and the unexplained. [7]
Such incongruence in the Genesis text arises from the troubled transmission of the Hebrew bible over thousands of years, during which it suffered from the shortcomings of man, [8] including not only all kinds of scribal errors [9] but also, as respected scholar Michael Fishbane has shown, deliberate alterations and omissions. [10] In short, despite the wealth of information it preserves about Abraham, the book of Genesis can at times be unreliable and misleading.
But with the restoration of the Gospel came the hope that Latter-Day Saints would receive further information about their illustrious forefather. The Book of Mormon, published in 1830, foretold that the latter-day work among a branch of Abrahams posterity would bring them to the knowledge of their fathers and the covenants God had made to them. [11]
The most dramatic fulfillment of that promise came in the stunning restoration of an autobiographical Abraham account that fills in key gaps left by Genesis, including the fact that God commanded Abraham to ask Sarah to say she was Abrahams sister. In March 1842 when Wilford Woodruff helped set the type for the publication of the first installment of the Book of Abraham, his journal entry that night marveled at the books great and glorious truths, which are among the rich treasures that are revealed unto us in the last days. [12]
The Book of Abraham remains one of our most important, if sadly underused, scriptural treasures, revealing precious truths about Abrahams story and his deeds that remain a beacon for his descendants.
The genius of the book of Abraham is that interwoven through the description of momentous events is a panorama of mankinds divine origin and potential. As literal spirit offspring of God, we are sent into mortality to be prove[n] to see if [we] will do all things whatsoever the Lord [our] God shall command [us] so that we can have glory added upon [our] heads for ever and ever. Parley Pratt noted that in Abrahams record we see unfolded our eternal being our existence before the world was our high and responsible station in the councils of the Holy One, and our eternal destiny. The book of Abraham even describes the road to that highest destiny: strictly obeying all Gods commandments; diligently seeking righteousness and peace; making and keeping sacred covenants; receiving the priesthood and sacred ordinances; building a family unit; searching the scriptures; keeping journals and records; sharing the gospel; and proving faithful in the face of opposition all works of Abraham, who is as much a model for Latter-day Saints as he was in ages past for those aspiring to be the people of God. [13]
With the appearance of the Book of Abraham and the sure knowledge that authentic Abrahamic traditions had survived outside of the Bible, Church leaders were eager to learn more of Abraham from other emerging sources like the Book of Jasher. The Prophet Joseph briefly referred to in an article he wrote for Times and Seasons, [14] and other leaders like Brigham Young, John Taylor, and Wilford Woodruff, speaking in public, quoted the Jasher story of Abraham smashing the idols. [15]
When Franklin D. Richards, the compiler of the Pearl of Great Price, spoke in General Conference in 1892, he summarized several legends from Jasher and further mentioned the Quran as a source of Abrahamic material. [16] By then the Church in Salt Lake City had even reprinted the book of Jasher, making it widely available to the saints. And in the 1898 maiden volume of the Improvement Era, the Church published the first English translation of an extra-biblical account called the Apocalypse of Abraham, a text that purports to be an autobiographical writing of the patriarch and contains striking parallels to portions of the Book of Abraham.
Since then, additional ancient texts continued to emerge, slowly at first. A few were published by R. H. Charles at the beginning of the twentieth century. [17] But the pace began to accelerate with the 1947 discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, including the Genesis Apocryphon yet another autobiographical account of Abraham. In the following decades the emergence of yet other ancient biblical-related texts grew rapidly. Many of these claimed to have been composed originally by early biblical figures like Abraham and Enoch and even Adam, and although once used as authentic texts in early Jewish and Christianity communities, they had long since been set aside, lost, or otherwise forgotten.
Their sudden recovery from oblivion after many centuries is hailed as something of a miracle even by secular scholars. By the strangest quirk of fate respecting literature that I know of, wrote Samuel Sandmel in 1983, large numbers of writings by Jews were completely lost from the transmitted Jewish heritage... Now... a door is being opened anew to treasures that are very old. [18]
Hugh Nibleys assessment is similar, referring to that astonishing outpouring of ancient writings that is the peculiar blessing of our generation. [19] Part of the blessing is the remarkable corroboration that these newly emerged writings offer to the prior latter-day revelations and texts, a phenomenon noted by no less a figure than Harold Bloom. In one of his widely read books, the prominent Bloom, not a Latter-day Saint, called attention to Joseph Smiths uncanny recovery of elements in ancient Jewish theurgy that had ceased to be available either to normative Judaism or to Christianity, and that had survived only in esoteric traditions unlikely to have touched Smith directly. [20] Such vindication of the Prophet Josephs work was prophesied by himself: The world will prove Joseph Smith a true prophet by circumstantial evidence, [21] he foretold.
But these long-lost and recently recovered ancient texts do more than corroborate. They also offer additional detail, consistent with the restored knowledge already provided through latter-day scripture, about our illustrious forefather Abraham. Of all the saints since Abrahams day, we are uniquely blessed to have at our disposal an expanded wealth of knowledge about him and his life.
All of which seems to me more than coincidental, for the more we learn of Abrahams day, the more it seems a distant mirror of our own age of increasing spiritual darkness. The remedy for todays ills is the preaching of the restored Gospel of Jesus Christ and the establishment of Zion, which we can accomplish only by doing the works of Abraham and thereby fulfilling his covenant to bless ourselves and all nations.
Hmmm, lets peel this back a little. If this is true why doesn't the bom touch these essential doctrines for exultation?
Church organization
Plurality of Gods
Plurality of wives doctrine
Word of Wisdom
God is an exalted man
Celestial marriage
Men may become Gods
Three degrees of glory
Baptism for the dead
Eternal progression
The Aaronic Priesthood
Temple works of washings, anointing, endowments, sealing.
Since the bom was given under the 'power of god', it is totally reasonable to ask why it is so imperfect, since the testimony of the scribes is nearly unanimous that the 'translation' was provided on a word for word (and in some instances letter for letter) basiss.
Hmmm, lets peel this back a little. If this is true why doesn't the bom touch these essential doctrines for exultation?
Church organization
Plurality of Gods
Plurality of wives doctrine
Word of Wisdom
God is an exalted man
Celestial marriage
Men may become Gods
Three degrees of glory
Baptism for the dead
Eternal progression
The Aaronic Priesthood
Temple works of washings, anointing, endowments, sealing.
Since the bom was given under the 'power of god', it is totally reasonable to ask why it is so imperfect, since the testimony of the scribes is nearly unanimous that the 'translation' was provided on a word for word (and in some instances letter for letter) basiss.
Hmmm, lets peel this back a little. If this is true why doesn't the bom touch these essential doctrines for exultation?
Church organization
Plurality of Gods
Plurality of wives doctrine
Word of Wisdom
God is an exalted man
Celestial marriage
Men may become Gods
Three degrees of glory
Baptism for the dead
Eternal progression
The Aaronic Priesthood
Temple works of washings, anointing, endowments, sealing.
Since the bom was given under the 'power of god', it is totally reasonable to ask why it is so imperfect, since the testimony of the scribes is nearly unanimous that the 'translation' was provided on a word for word (and in some instances letter for letter) basiss.
The Book of Mormon does not require a hemispheric geography
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Well, that is one way that the book of mormon doffers with the book written by God, namely the Bib;le...
God felt that the Bible DID require a hemispheric geography..
Gen 2:10 ¶ And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
Gen 2:11 The name of the first [is] Pison: that [is] it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where [there is] gold;
Gen 2:12 And the gold of that land [is] good: there [is] bdellium and the onyx stone.
Gen 2:13 And the name of the second river [is] Gihon: the same [is] it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
Gen 2:14 And the name of the third river [is] Hiddekel: that [is] it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river [is] Euphrates. Genesis 2:10-14
To this day, we can go straight to the areas where the events of the Bible took place...
Not so with the bom...
The bom reads like Harry Potter...
and we are more likely to be able follow the footsteps of the students of that fictious school for wizards than to follow the footsteps of the characturs from Joey Smith’s fable...
That OK too because mormon apologists are still fighting among themselves over 3 or 4 possible hemispheric 'scenarios' as to which can be spun the most favorably.
It proves beyond a reasonable doubt that Joseph Smith was a charlatan.
Then why on earth does the MORMON Organization® base most ALL of it's BELIEFS on OTHER writings???
Certainly anyone familiar with the older Christian religions and denominations, shall we say, in the US Northeast knows that a good portion of their church members don’t actually believe the literal, Pauline Christian story of redemption.
Would you venture to guess how many Mormons believe the Joseph Smith story—and how many are Mormons simply out of cultural, family and community reasons?
Thanks.
From MY personal experience, my guess is that about 95% actually do believe the story of the First Vision (at least ONE rendition), that Smith really did restore the "Keys of the Kingdom", and they definitely believe Smith was "martyred" rather than dying in a shoot-out in which he killed or wounded three men .
"This humble farm boy was the prophet chosen by God to restore the ancient Church of Jesus Christ and His priesthood in these latter days. This restoration was to be the last, the dispensation of the fulness of times, restoring all the priesthood blessings which man could possess on earth. With this divine commission, his work was not to reform nor was it to protest what was already on the earth. It was to restore what had been on earth and had been lost.
The Restoration, begun with the First Vision in 1820, continued with the coming forth of the Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ. On September 21, 1823, Joseph Smith was visited by the angel Moroni, who taught him of an ancient record containing the fulness of the everlasting gospel preparatory to the second coming of the Messiah. Recorded on plates of gold, the Book of Mormon gives an account of Christs ministry in the Western Hemisphere, just as the Bible records His life and ministry in the Holy Land. Joseph received the gold plates four years later and, in December of 1827, began to translate the Book of Mormon.
While translating, Joseph Smith and his scribe Oliver Cowdery read about baptism. Their desire to receive this blessing for themselves prompted the restoration of the Aaronic Priesthood on May 15, 1829, under the hands of John the Baptist.
There followed the restoration of the Melchizedek Priesthood, which was bestowed on Joseph and Oliver by the Apostles Peter, James, and John, who held the keys. After centuries of spiritual darkness, the power and authority to act in Gods name, to perform sacred ordinances, and to lead His Church were once again upon the earth.
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The long night was finally over, and revelation streamed forth, resulting in additional scripture. The Doctrine and Covenants was accepted by the Church on August 17, 1835. The Pearl of Great Price translation of the book of Abraham also began in that year.
Further authority to act in the name of the Lord soon followed. The Kirtland Temple was dedicated on March 27, 1836. In that temple, the Savior appeared to Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery, followed by the appearances of Moses, Elias, and Elijah, who gave additional priesthood keys to the Prophet.
This gospel light would never again be taken from the earth. In 1844 Joseph Smith conferred all the keys of the priesthood upon Brigham Young, John Taylor, Wilford Woodruff, and their fellow Apostles. The Prophet said: I have lived until I have seen this burden, which has rested on my shoulders, rolled on to the shoulders of other men; the keys of the kingdom are planted on the earth to be taken away no more for ever. No matter what becomes of me. Sadly, three months later, on June 27, Joseph Smith the Prophet and his brother Hyrum were martyred at Carthage, Illinois.
Preparations for the (LDS) Restoration and the Second Coming:My Hand Shall Be over Thee
Thanks. I thought it would be high, and to my jaded Northeastern mind that’s extraordinary. Much appreciated.
Remember, that is my opinion...I pinged some former mormons for their input to the question.
Hehehehe. I wonder if those organizations pay there 10% too.
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