Posted on 08/19/2009 10:09:54 AM PDT by NYer
.- The Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, which was recently incorporated into the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, has announced the publication of two DVDs to help “priests and the community” celebrate Mass according to the extraordinary form of the Latin Rite.
The two DVDs include an entire Mass celebrated by Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos—until recently the president of the Commission—at the Basilica of St. Mary Major in 2003.
The discs also feature segments explaining in detail the “gestures and rubrics, from the preparatio ad missam (preparation before Mass) to the act of thanksgiving in the sacristy.”
The video is available in four languages (Italian, English, Spanish and French) and is intended to be the “first concrete contribution of the Holy See for the implementation of the Pope’s wishes contained in Summorum Pontificum.” The Motu Propio “Summorum Pontificum,” which was released in July of 2007 by Pope Benedict XVI, granted universal permission to the faithful to celebrate the Tridentine Mass adapted by Blessed John XXIII in 1962.
The Commission has not yet announced where or how the DVDs can be purchased.
I’ve already addressed that. And I resent the imputation.
Exactly. This is the USA. We speak English here, not Latin.
Peter served as Bishop of Antioch. To this day, the Consecration is still chanted in Aramaic
Why not the mass in general then?
Romulus, so beautifully put. You get a gold star for eloquence. I am saving your comment for future reference and use, it was that well stated. Here’s to the Latin Mass!
Did they? AFAIK they showed up and mumbled the same thing - in a language they didn't understand, and therefor didn't know what they were imputed to believe.
When allowed to address the subject in a language they understood, by your account they responded by in effect saying "I _don't_ believe that!" Mutual ignorance is not a viable basis for faith.
“It has taken John Paul II and Benedict XVI all these years to right the ship.”
Hasn’t trickled down to the Diocese of Boise — AKA Mahoneystan East.
We’re going in circles here. You promote Latin for mutual understanding, and I observe that for most practical purposes people don’t understand precisely because it is in Latin. Regurgitating a stream of phonetics does not make for comprehension thereof.
Ave Maria? Haven’t a clue what it says. It’s in Latin.
I am very familiar with computer languages. I know so many that learning another one takes about a half-hour and a reference manual. Natural languages? Very different: much as I’ve tried I just can’t pick up any more. ...but again, the issue isn’t learning another language, it’s why that one in particular, and why any at all (re: mass)?
I’ll await your answer re: verses supporting praying for the dead. Bashing Protestantism is not a valid response.
Sorry, I get the feeling that you are off track now, mixing tenets of the Faith and liturgical practice.
Just curious, for the record, are you even a Roman Catholic, or are you Protestant? Simple honest question.
“What command dictates use of Latin?”
It’s not a command; it’s just common sense.
Oh, and the Latin Mass has what Tim Taylor was always looking for: More Power.
I don’t suppose you are a Roman Catholic?
In that case there is not much in common between our theologies.
Or, only if you are a R.C., care to elaborate?
“Ave Maria? Haven’t a clue what it says. It’s in Latin.”
If you can learn computer languages, you could very easily learn more than enough Latin to comprehend the liturgy — and to see how “translation” of many Latin prayers strips them of their poetry and their power.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6AOvStZS64
I found this link last Easter. I was a cradle catholic who went to conservative Protestism as an adult.
The link made me cry and realize how much I miss the majesty and beauty that was the Catholic church. I went out and purchased a latin catholic missal. I wish there was a community of Latin Catholics.
You can keep questioning who I am or you can deal with the faulty logic of you position.
but because 99% of congregants CAN’T UNDERSTAND IT. Doesn’t matter how precise it is if the expression is opaque.
As a child raised Catholic in the 50’s and 60’s we in the pews all understood what was being said in Latin mass for two reasons. We all had missals that had Latin and our primary language translation in front of us. My mother had an Italian/Latin missal and the neighbors used a French/Latin translation. I had an English/Latin translation. After being exposed to the Latin regularly, since we went to Mass at least weekly, we learned all the meanings of the Latin words.
Any practicing catholic could translate the Vulgate into their own language. It was expected and understood.
I had given you the benefit of the doubt, assuming you were a R.C. But since you have not replied whether you are R.C. or not, I'll give you my answer but .....
A major supporting verse happens to be in the 2nd book of Maccabees so, if you happen to be a Protestant, you will have no clue what that is, because your defective bible only has 66 books instead of the complete set of 73 books in the bible. Therefore, no point of even quoting that verse in the missing book of 2 Maccabees. Just being up front with you.
My friend, you can’t handle a simple question?
I did not, and do not, want to second guess you. So you have the floor to explain yourself clearly. That way we don’t have any misunderstanding.
Please do your homework and stop asking everybody what religion they are. You're just avoiding my original challenge.
My friend, my style of discussion calls for clear understanding upfront, instead of murky insulting inuendos.
Now, you still have an opportunity to explain yourself, and explain why you think I went wrong somewhere, in good faith.
Otherwise, there is no point in discussing anything by playing one upmanship over nothing.
btw, I asked the other person because I strongly suspect he/she is not RC who has no idea what Ave Maria is. Take that to the bank.
sicco (latin)
Frankly, I do not intend to play evasive games and waste time so good luck, and good bye.
I don’t believe we have anything further to discuss.
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