What is the History of Your Church?
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Posted on 06/27/2009 10:01:54 AM PDT by Salvation
How Old Is Your Church?If you are a Lutheran, your religion was founded by Martin Luther, an ex- monk of the Catholic Church, in the year 1517. If you belong to the Church of England, your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the Pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to remarry. If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded by John Knox in Scotland in the year 1560. If you are a Protestant Episcopalian, your religion was an offshoot of the Church of England founded by Samuel Seabury in the American colonies in the 17th century. If you are a Congregationalist, your religion was originated by Robert Brown in Holland in 1582. If you are a Methodist, your religion was launched by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1744. If you are a Unitarian, Theophilus Lindley founded your church in London in 1774. If you are a Mormon (Latter Day Saints), Joseph Smith started your religion in Palmyra, N.Y., in 1829. If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1605. If you are of the Dutch Reformed church, you recognize Michaelis Jones as founder, because he originated your religion in New York in 1628. If you worship with the Salvation Army, your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865. If you are a Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year in which your religion was born and to Mrs. Mary Baker Eddy as its founder. If you belong to one of the religious organizations known as 'Church of the Nazarene," "Pentecostal Gospel." "Holiness Church," "Pilgrim Holiness Church," "Jehovah's Witnesses," your religion is one of the hundreds of new sects founded by men within the past century. If you are Catholic, you know that your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ the Son of God, and it is still the same Church. |
So idiots like you can ask stupid questions.
***They were taking the existing faith in the direction they felt the Spirit was leading them.***
“Felt”? Are the Protestants now claiming to be third grade girls feeling their way through their emotional theology?
There is the Church and all else is outside the Church. You have the free will to choose.
***Ok,....Let’s STOP right here! Stop the Protestant bashing!
Lutherans are **Christians**. Christ is the foundation of Christianity! Their faith and church goes back to Christ. Martin Luther merely got their Christian faith ( founded by Christ) back on track, and correctly **reformed** the faith, and threw out the corruption and abuse that had infiltrated it.***
With his 1000 fornications a day? I doubt it.
***The Catholic Church is the only church that can claim to have been founded by Christ personally.
Tell that to the Greek/Eastern Orthodox Church. They lay as much claim to the direct lineage to Rome as the Catholic Church does.***
The Orthodox Church IS Catholic.
To answer your question from an Eastern Perspective, the Eastern Orthodox Church is The Eastern Orthodox Church, it is the same as it ever was and it has existed since Pentecost...Rome used to be a part of it.
This is a simplifying statement: From Pentecost until the 11th century there was one Christian Church - it was founded by Jesus Christ. It had grown during that time to include many Bishops, but 5 of them were considered pre-eminent: Rome, Constantinople, Jerusalem, Alexandria, and Antioch. (By way of further detail, the Egyptian Coptics and the Ethopian Orthodox churches broke communion after the 3rd ecumenical council. These churches still exist but are what is known as “Non-Chalcedonian,” meaning they did not accept the rulings of the Council of Chalcedon).
Anyway, of those 5, a seat of honorary primacy was held by the Bishop of Rome, owing largely to the fact that the first Bishop of Rome was St. Peter - who was also recognized as the leader and primary spokesman for the 12 Disciples.
Differences in language and culture (as the Empire expanded) and later philosophy and theology began to isolate Rome from the rest of the Bishoprics, or “Sees.” Friction intensified over several centuries between Rome and the rest of the Sees, which were separated from Rome by the Mediterranean as well as primary language (Latin vs. Greek). This escalated to a particular event in the year 1054.
The Eastern Church has always viewed Church decisions to be made in a conciliar fashion, while the Roman Church evolved as a Monarchy. The Eastern Church as a rule eschews instituting ecumenical decisions made by one man.
For the third time in this posting, and for the benefit of my FReeper brothers and sisters who may be adherents of the Church of Rome, the things I say here are the Eastern Perspective.
Protestantism developed out of the Western Church - out of the Roman Church. There has not been a similar “Reformation” from the Eastern Church.
A little joke that puts that in perspective...
How many Orthodox Christians does it take to change a light bulb?
Change? What is this, “CHANGE?”
What is the History of Your Church?
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In many ways it is a **cult**. It threats its members with eternal damnation if they leave it. It claims to have the **only** and **true** ordinances and priesthood needed for salvation.
If that isn't a cult then what is?
Then why aren’t Lutherans “catholic”? Why aren’t protestants “catholic”?
Thanks for the laughs.
Propoganda pure and simple. And it isn’t like the Catholic church hasn’t had huge blemishes over the year. It was a bastion of sin and corruption for centuries which is what led to the Reformation.
Nice christian attitude.
Obviously you feel anger. Pray about it.
Tell that to the Greek/Eastern Orthodox Church. They lay as much claim to the direct lineage to Rome as the Catholic Church does.Hey don't argue with me.
However the Greek, Eastern Orthodox and/or Russian Orthodox (pick a name) are all 'Catholics' too. Yes there was a split (Great Schism) over the 'Bishop of Rome' being 'supreme', but reconciliation is ongoing.
There’s nothing in scripture to instruct the churches to baptise or NOT baptise infants
At midnight Mass one of the priests serving was introduced as being Eastern Orthodox. What are the major differences?
So maybe Roman Catholics will come back to the one true church and no longer be a sect?
We’ve talked about this before. There are many who claim to be “former” Catholics out there. The facts are that once you are baptized as a Catholic you are always a Catholic.
Welcome home at any time.
Where did you ever hear that? Don't believe everything you hear. The New Testament does not say anything about the location of baptism or the identity of the administrator making any difference. A believing penitent could get Mahmoud Ahmajinedad to baptize him in the Persian Gulf and it wouldn't make any difference to God. Of course it would make a differnce to the beliver's physical well-being if Ahmajinedad wouldn't let him up. :)
What does the Bible say in Acts 2:38?
Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins...
Mark 16:16:
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
1 Peter 3:21:
The like figure whereunto [even] baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ
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