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Posted on 05/30/2009 4:55:13 PM PDT by Colofornian
Cedar City » In May 1859 - almost two years after 120 members of a wagon train on their way to California were massacred at Mountain Meadows - their bones were collected from hastily dug graves and reburied by Army Maj. James H. Carlton and his troops.
On Saturday, descendants of the victims will meet at the massacre site in southwestern Utah to commemorate the 150th anniversary of Carlton's efforts to give their ancestors a proper burial in four mass graves.
The ceremony, complete with music, speeches and a 21-gun salute will include members of the Mountain Meadows Association, Mountain Meadows Foundation Inc. and Mountain Meadows Descendants.
Later that night, the participants will meet in St. George and hear from historian Will Bagley, author of Blood of the Prophets , who will speak about a survivor of the massacre.
The group also will hear from Richard Turley Jr., one of three LDS Church historians who collaborated on the book Massacre at Mountain Meadows. Turley will update the groups on plans to make the site a National Historic Landmark.
Finally, LDS Church historian Marlin K. Jensen will talk about a master plan the church has been working on in collaboration with the groups to protect the site from encroaching development.
All the descendant organizations were created to honor the massacre victims.
The wagon train that left Carroll County, Ark., for California, led by Alexander Fancher and Jack Baker. The train stopped to camp at Mountain Meadows about 30 miles north of St. George in September 1857 and almost immediately came under siege. On Sept. 11, all but 17 children were slaughtered by Mormon settlers and a group of American Indians.
The organizations' main concern now is with preserving the site as hallowed ground and keeping the event alive as a significant event in American history.
Phil Bolinger, president of the Mountain Meadows Monument Foundation Inc., said Carleton's group buried the bones in four mass graves at the Meadows, including one at the siege site where most of the killings occurred and where a rock cairn was built, topped with a wooden cross inscribed with the words: "Vengeance is mine thou shalt repay sayeth the Lord."
The foundation has a smaller replica of the cairn built at its Arkansas headquarters.
Bolinger said in the past two years, the different descendant groups have set aside differences and are working together to get National Historic Landmark designation. And they have been working with the LDS Church on the site master plan.
"We are hard workers who intend to honor the memories of our ancestors through education," said Bolinger.
Terry Fancher, president of the Mountain Meadows Association, said the new spirit of cooperation among the groups has produced positive results for preserving the site.
"Talking about the master plan ... will be a key point," said Fancher.
He said his group is also trying to identify how many wagons were on the trek to California and who was on them.
Of the 104 sets of remains, he said his group has positively identified 91.
"Our big deal is to have accurate information so historians use our Web site for research at that level," he said.
Boy, it sure good the Lds landowners were right on top of this in making the site a National Historic Landmark. (Maybe by the time this actually becomes a reality, they'll be ready for the 200th anniversary of this sorryful mass execution)
Finally, LDS Church historian Marlin K. Jensen will talk about a master plan the church has been working on in collaboration with the groups to protect the site from encroaching development.
(Uhhh...ya know, if the Lds church would simply designate this site a National Historic Landmark, I think that'd be a good start to protecting it from encroachment...But, yeah, we know, with religious hierarchical "master plans," these things can take generations!)
From the article: On Sept. 11, all but 17 children were slaughtered by Mormon settlers and a group of American Indians.
Yes, the Indians were bribed into being involved in the initial siege upon the wagon train...but when that siege began stretching into days, they lost the stomach for it, and went home. So just about all of the "human meat" slaughter was really at the hands of Mormon settlers, who used deception to get the Fancher wagon party to yield their weapons...started walking them eastward...and then opened fire, execution style, on women, children 8 & over, and defenseless men.
(But, of course, we don't get these kind of accurate descriptions from modern Utah journalists...even Utah papers not 100% friendly to Mormon readers...instead, we get barely technically accurate descriptions like all but 17 children were slaughtered by Mormon settlers and a group of American Indians.)
Interesting. We drive this way to Grand Junction, CO, often, but I never knew the site was so near. Am going to look at a map — is it on a modern road? Still called Mountain Meadows? Easy to locate?
The emigrants would come into Cedar City from the Northeast and then continue West, heading in a slight SouthWest direction. MMM is 35 miles SW of Cedar City -- pretty much due West of Fort Harmony (there's an ironic name for you!!!) and pretty much due North of Santa Clara, which is adjacent (NW direction) of St. George.
The location is near the Santa Clara River.
Three ways to get there:
South of Cedar City, you can take Old State Highway 144 West off of I-15...thru New Harmony to the location.
From Cedar City, you can take Highway 56 West past Newcastle. Then head south on Highway 18...just south of the town of Enterprise.
Or, Northbound Highway 18 out of St. George...like the New Harmony route, it partially runs through the Dixie National Forest.
Sounds to me like we need more Mormons in the Army and Marine Corps.
Why? Are there some innocent civilian men and women you wanted murdered before their children are kidnapped and raised by a (formerly) polygamous sect that believes its members can become gods?
I’m just saying...
You seem to have a great interest in Mormonism. Were you once Mormon?
Mormonism runs in my family blood...
What's vitally more important is Jesus' blood...
The key to being part of that heavenly Zion isn't whether you were born Mormon...
But whether we're reborn of the Spirit
The Mormon (or LDS) or whatever else they want to call themselves are NOT CHRISTIANS.
Joey Smith say 2 Demons - and inflicted thousands of souls into his Hell.
Let me ask all you Mormons - you are breathing air, you are drinking water......it is Good. Yes? It is not that in Hell.
And SkyPilot claims to be a true Christian. You can tell by his words.
roflol
***Turley will update the groups on plans to make the site a National Historic Landmark.***
Does that mean it will show up on official UTAH highway maps?
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I just finished reading “The Veil” by Diane Noble, a fictionalized account of the whole sorry, sickening mess. I’m a Utah transplant so I’ve heard anecdotal, sanitized sunmmaries of this event for years. I just now got interested in looking deeper and it makes my blood run cold.
The book also offers a glimpse into the fear and control exercised by the LDS church over its members back then. Is it still the same today? Perhaps. It makes me wonder what future circumstances they are waiting for to continue “fulfilling” their prophecies.
There would have been a bunch more coming; but...
And JESUS is truely GOD; who needs NO help from Man.
If one FOLLOWS His words - you can tell.
Acts 9
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