There's a lot of good nuggets in this article...enjoy!
1 posted on
05/22/2009 1:58:05 PM PDT by
DouglasKC
To: DouglasKC; Star Traveler; Quix
Ten Commandments?
Where have you been?
The History Channel says Moses was given
300 commandments... dontcha know? / Sarc
2 posted on
05/22/2009 1:59:57 PM PDT by
Jo Nuvark
(Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
To: whipitgood; Diego1618; Chris DeWeese; XeniaSt; AnnaZ; Ping-Pong; TXDeb; east_tennessean; SonOfEd; ..
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3 posted on
05/22/2009 2:00:00 PM PDT by
DouglasKC
To: DouglasKC
And yet, the NFL sprang into existence anyway! And college football, which messed up both possible Sabbath days!
(Interesting article — I want to study it at leisure).
4 posted on
05/22/2009 2:00:25 PM PDT by
freedumb2003
(Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
To: DouglasKC
Interesting question. bookmarking to read later. thanks.
5 posted on
05/22/2009 2:02:06 PM PDT by
BlueStateBlues
(Blue State business, Red State heart. . . . .Palin 2012----can't come soon enough!)
To: Diamond
I thought you might be interested in this...
7 posted on
05/22/2009 2:06:47 PM PDT by
DouglasKC
To: DouglasKC
All that jiberish and nobody really knows what “day” the sabbath really is.
To: DouglasKC
Comment later about how the Sabbath has shifted from the seventh day of the week to Christ, Who is our “rest” every day of the week.
9 posted on
05/22/2009 2:10:57 PM PDT by
LiteKeeper
(When do the impeachment proceedings begin?)
To: DouglasKC
The words say ‘Remember thou keep holy the sabbath day’ would indicate that they are being told to maintain a tradition that had been a part of their culture.
To: DouglasKC
Any "scholarly" article that begins by talking about the "real truth" has already lost my respect.
13 posted on
05/22/2009 2:21:02 PM PDT by
Sudetenland
(Partial-birth abortions are state sanctioned torture/murder.)
To: DouglasKC
The Shabbat was given to Israel alone. Non-Jews are actually forbidden to observe Shabbat (at least with regard to the prohibitions; the positive aspects such as candle lighting and the three ritual meals may actually be required).
Shabbat was given to Israel shortly before they arrived at Mt. Sinai when they were told not to gather man ("manna") on the Seventh Day of the week. However, the 'Avot (Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob) had already intuited all the commandments of the Torah according to the Sages.
17 posted on
05/22/2009 2:26:03 PM PDT by
Zionist Conspirator
(Haqrev 'et-matteh Levi veha`amadta 'oto lifney 'Aharon HaKohen; vesheretu 'oto.)
To: DouglasKC
Did Abraham or Noah keep kosher?
42 posted on
05/22/2009 4:39:16 PM PDT by
240B
(he is doing everything he said he would'nt and not doing what he said he would)
To: DouglasKC
I think too: When did you begin to observe it? In a real sense, that’s it’s true beginning.
50 posted on
05/22/2009 7:39:54 PM PDT by
onedoug
To: DouglasKC
I readily accept the notion that Adam would have rested on the Sabbath. Since the Sabbath was created for Mankind (how I would translate "the man" is to regard Man as a whole), than unfallen Man certainly would receive its benefits. But from there, the cascade of unfounded presumptions is breathtaking.
- "Unless the Sabbath was their pivot of time, people then could not have used such a measure of days."
The article scarcely makes the case that people did... but to simply assert something could not have happened, unless one possible cause is true is simply illogical. The removal of a known condition does not mean that a conclusion cannot occur. IOW, if A->B doesn't mean ~B->~A. But did people have such a measure of days? This argument isn't made:
- "No details are given of the creed of Abraham, but . . . it must have included all that was true in the popular beliefs of Chaldea. This would imply his knowledge of the Sabbath; for the seventh day, by a tradition handed down from Eden, was 'holy' in his Eastern native land, and was honored by the cessation of all work on it."
Really? Fallen man couldn't possibly forget the ordinations of God?
- "In Genesis 7:4 and 8:10 and 12 we see that Noah was acquainted with a seven-day week. Unless the Sabbath was their pivot of time, people then could not have used such a measure of days. In fact, the marginal rendering of Genesis 7:10 is "on the seventh day," a reference to nothing but the Sabbath. We may be sure that Noah, a just man who walked with God (Genesis 6:9), knew about and kept God's seventh-day Sabbath."
In Genesis 7:4, God tells Noah that it will rain in 7 days. It does make the point that God was keeping the Sabbath. But did Noah get that the 7th day was the 7th day of creation? The article supposes that Noah is onto the notion of a Sabbath by waiting every 7 days to send out a bird. Does he? He does so 230 days later. You could argue as few as 227 days later. But if the first day is a Saturday, that range of dates gives you from anywhere from a Tuesday to a Friday.
- The words "in process of time" are translated from the Hebrew mikkets yamim, meaning "at the end of the days." This can only be telling us that on the Sabbath, Cain and Abel, with the rest of Adam's family, gathered to worship God.
Really? I agree that Adam's family would probably have worshiped on Saturday.
- Yes, when God says in Exodus 20:8 to "Remember the Sabbath day," He is referring to something Israel already knew, or they could not have "remembered" it. Sir Charles Marston writes: "The very word 'Remember' presupposes that the Sabbath day was already in existence . . . ."
Huh? If I say, "Honey, I need you to remember this: I'm going to be at the clerk's office if anyone calls," did my wife already know that?
What's going on here?
The most informative part of the article is this: The evidence is now complete, irrefutable, and satisfying to any honest mind. The author hasn't begun to make his case. But if you aren't convinced by it, anyway, you're a liar. That's what is going on here. The author is trying leverage his own credibility into slamming your mind shut on all other notions. After all, if someone is a liar, it'd be morally hazardous to listen to him.
55 posted on
05/23/2009 6:42:46 AM PDT by
dangus
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