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To: DouglasKC
I readily accept the notion that Adam would have rested on the Sabbath. Since the Sabbath was created for Mankind (how I would translate "the man" is to regard Man as a whole), than unfallen Man certainly would receive its benefits. But from there, the cascade of unfounded presumptions is breathtaking.

What's going on here?

The most informative part of the article is this: The evidence is now complete, irrefutable, and satisfying to any honest mind. The author hasn't begun to make his case. But if you aren't convinced by it, anyway, you're a liar. That's what is going on here. The author is trying leverage his own credibility into slamming your mind shut on all other notions. After all, if someone is a liar, it'd be morally hazardous to listen to him.

55 posted on 05/23/2009 6:42:46 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

Actually, as I think about it, the part about Noah is very telling, and very problematic for Adventists. Noah catches on to a seven day pattern, but can’t possibly be syncing his pattern to God’s, since his pattern’s period isn’t a multiple of seven from God’s.


56 posted on 05/23/2009 6:46:35 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus
I readily accept the notion that Adam would have rested on the Sabbath. Since the Sabbath was created for Mankind (how I would translate "the man" is to regard Man as a whole), than unfallen Man certainly would receive its benefits. But from there, the cascade of unfounded presumptions is breathtaking.

I actually agree that the writing style leaves a lot to be desired. That's why I commented about "nuggets". You have to dig to find them, but they are there.

In Genesis 7:4, God tells Noah that it will rain in 7 days. It does make the point that God was keeping the Sabbath. But did Noah get that the 7th day was the 7th day of creation? The article supposes that Noah is onto the notion of a Sabbath by waiting every 7 days to send out a bird. Does he? He does so 230 days later. You could argue as few as 227 days later. But if the first day is a Saturday, that range of dates gives you from anywhere from a Tuesday to a Friday.

I agree. Although it's possible I thought it was a pretty weak argument to claim it as a certainty.

# The words "in process of time" are translated from the Hebrew mikkets yamim, meaning "at the end of the days." This can only be telling us that on the Sabbath, Cain and Abel, with the rest of Adam's family, gathered to worship God. Really? I agree that Adam's family would probably have worshiped on Saturday.

This was actually pretty credible to me. I did a good study on the phrase and then read commentaries and many do believe this refers to the sabbath worship.

Yes, when God says in Exodus 20:8 to "Remember the Sabbath day," He is referring to something Israel already knew, or they could not have "remembered" it. Sir Charles Marston writes: "The very word 'Remember' presupposes that the Sabbath day was already in existence . . . ." Huh? If I say, "Honey, I need you to remember this: I'm going to be at the clerk's office if anyone calls," did my wife already know that?

There's are other possibilities here for "remember". In Exodus 16 God had instructed Israel on the sabbath. This was possibly weeks before they got to Mt. Sinai where the Lord had uttered the 10 commandments. So he could have said to "remember" in that sense. Or he could have been telling them to remember that the sabbath was created holy in the beginning.

Thanks for your views...

58 posted on 05/23/2009 7:01:06 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: dangus
That's what is going on here. The author is trying leverage his own credibility into slamming your mind shut on all other notions. After all, if someone is a liar, it'd be morally hazardous to listen to him.

Excellent point. I have begun an exhaustive study of God's Sabbath rest and how Christ is in actuality that rest we look forward to. I will be doing an article on it and when I do, I will need you and others to be on board to help defeat the sabbatarians who are bent upon trashing Christ's fulfillment of the OT ceremonial laws.
85 posted on 05/25/2009 11:31:47 AM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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