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To: dangus
I readily accept the notion that Adam would have rested on the Sabbath. Since the Sabbath was created for Mankind (how I would translate "the man" is to regard Man as a whole), than unfallen Man certainly would receive its benefits. But from there, the cascade of unfounded presumptions is breathtaking.

I actually agree that the writing style leaves a lot to be desired. That's why I commented about "nuggets". You have to dig to find them, but they are there.

In Genesis 7:4, God tells Noah that it will rain in 7 days. It does make the point that God was keeping the Sabbath. But did Noah get that the 7th day was the 7th day of creation? The article supposes that Noah is onto the notion of a Sabbath by waiting every 7 days to send out a bird. Does he? He does so 230 days later. You could argue as few as 227 days later. But if the first day is a Saturday, that range of dates gives you from anywhere from a Tuesday to a Friday.

I agree. Although it's possible I thought it was a pretty weak argument to claim it as a certainty.

# The words "in process of time" are translated from the Hebrew mikkets yamim, meaning "at the end of the days." This can only be telling us that on the Sabbath, Cain and Abel, with the rest of Adam's family, gathered to worship God. Really? I agree that Adam's family would probably have worshiped on Saturday.

This was actually pretty credible to me. I did a good study on the phrase and then read commentaries and many do believe this refers to the sabbath worship.

Yes, when God says in Exodus 20:8 to "Remember the Sabbath day," He is referring to something Israel already knew, or they could not have "remembered" it. Sir Charles Marston writes: "The very word 'Remember' presupposes that the Sabbath day was already in existence . . . ." Huh? If I say, "Honey, I need you to remember this: I'm going to be at the clerk's office if anyone calls," did my wife already know that?

There's are other possibilities here for "remember". In Exodus 16 God had instructed Israel on the sabbath. This was possibly weeks before they got to Mt. Sinai where the Lord had uttered the 10 commandments. So he could have said to "remember" in that sense. Or he could have been telling them to remember that the sabbath was created holy in the beginning.

Thanks for your views...

58 posted on 05/23/2009 7:01:06 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

Thanks for your courteous response. In all honesty, I was a little critical of the writing style because I associated it with arguments he wasn’t actually making, such as the supposedly diabolical nature of Sunday worship.

But I think it is quite worth reflecting on the very reasonable, even presumptively true notion that unfallen Man needed the Sabbath. I’ve always been taught that every day should be a day of worship, that it is a vital spiritual practice to turn even your labor at the office into worship. But in our fallen nature, we cannot do that. We need to set time aside to worship; we need the Sabbath. But it’s not just because of our fallen nature and our (near) inability to worship as we labor.

It’s because we need rest. And we can rest and worship at the same time. In fact, true worship is a rest for the soul. It’s regenerative. It’s purifying. Even for unfallen Man, whose evey labor could be worship, Sabbath is commanded!


62 posted on 05/23/2009 6:19:07 PM PDT by dangus
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