[Rick] Warren waver on Prop 8 stuns leaders [lukewarm]

The Washington Times ^ | 2009-04-11

[rabscuttle385]

Stance about-face at issue.

BY JULIA DUIN

Evangelical leaders say they are bewildered and stunned by the Rev. Rick Warren's apparent turnaround on gay marriage after the famous California pastor said earlier this week that he was not a proponent of California's Proposition 8.

Mr. Warren told CNN's Larry King on Monday that he "never once even gave an endorsement" of the proposition, which said marriage in the state could only involve one man and one woman. The measure won at the polls last November by a close margin, in effect negating an earlier California Supreme Court ruling allowing gay marriages.

Proponents of the proposition had gathered from earlier comments that Mr. Warren stood with them on the issue, and they reacted vigorously to his CNN interview.

[TruthHound]

“Yeah, I wasn’t really serious about all those ‘abomination’ things.” —God

[Arguendo]

I didn’t say you “[said] he was gay,” I said you “[questioned] whether he was gay.”

I gave lots of reasons Christians could oppose Prop 8 in post #51, although the most likely reason he actually chose to switch his position is he just wants to be politically correct.

[Arguendo]

Can you not distinguish between law imposed by the government and moral law?

[TruthHound]

“Can you not distinguish between law imposed by the government and moral law?”

1) One falling to popular “progressivism” should not mean the other does as well.

2) Pastors (especially prominent ones) are charged with upholding both.

Warren is playing both sides and will lose both because of it. Christians won’t tolerate Clintonian dances with words—especially one a clear cut as this one. He does...he doesn’t...he’s out.

[Arguendo]

I’m not saying I think his position is good. But it’s not heresy.

[HarleyD]

The book of Jeremiah is out of chronological order. But if memory serves me correctly, this was right before the people were carried off into captivity due to the judgment of God.

[Lee N. Field]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Fuller_Theological_Seminary_people

Quite a mixed bag.

[Sir Clancelot]

He did pray in the name of “Issa”, the Qur’anic false jesus, at the inauguration.

I missed that one. Is there video of it?

[OneVike]

I will say this, until the government decided it could make money by taxing marriage, IE issuing marriage licenses, they church was the only establishment that any say in a couple being married or not.

So, I stand corrected and you are right. However, our government was supposed to be influenced by Godly men to keep our society a moral one. Once we started down the slippery slope of Church/State separation we were bound to reach this moment.

I did a speech in college where my premise was the equal rights amendment did not need to be passed because under our present laws we could eventually reach what the amendment desires through the court system. I was just 20 years old and freshly out of the army attending college on my GI bill. 30 years later I feel like a prophet.

[OafOfOffice]

Not that gays do so much for AIDS, that Rick Warren’s church probably donates to AIDS problems. That’s what I get for typing summaries quickly. /wink

[OneVike]

The book of Jeremiah is out of chronological order. But if memory serves me correctly, this was right before the people were carried off into captivity due to the judgment of God.

Yes you are correct. It is out of chronological order because when the Bible was arranged, they put the section of prophets in order of the size of their books, not the importance of their message and not in the order they were written.

Jeremiah was known as the weeping prophet because he spent his life warning the Southern Kingdom of their impending doom. Then he left for Egypt in tears as Nebuchadnezzar's army sacked Jerusalem, destroyed Solomon's Temple, and carried away the people to Babylon.

He wrote Lamentations as memorial to Jerusalem as he describes the funeral of the city. A tear stained portrait of the once proud Jerusalem, now reduced to rubble by the invading Babylonian hordes.

Lamentations is what gave him the title, "The Weeping Prophet".

[Lee N. Field]

Yes you are correct. It is out of chronological order because when the Bible was arranged, they put the section of prophets in order of the size of their books, not the importance of their message and not in the order they were written.

I think what he means is that internally to the book, the various sections of Jeremiah is not in chronological order.

[444Flyer]

“He did pray in the name of “Issa”, the Qur’anic false jesus, at the inauguration.

I missed that one. Is there video of it?”

Yes Sir. Go to 3:38:

“...this in the name of the one who changed my life, Jesus, Yeshua, ISSA,...”

http://timmybrister.com/2009/01/20/rick-warrens-inaugural-prayer.

And

http://www.twoagespilgrims.com/doctrine/?p=1843

Here's an old thread that can fill you in also.

“Just When I Thought I Could Say “Amen” (Rick Warren Invokes The Name Of Islamic jesus...)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2171061/posts

[kcvl]

Rick Warren = phony media whore.

[HarleyD]

Yes, the various sections of the book of Jeremiah are out of order. It took me a long time to find that out.