Posted on 04/10/2009 8:09:04 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
Stance about-face at issue.
BY JULIA DUIN
Evangelical leaders say they are bewildered and stunned by the Rev. Rick Warren's apparent turnaround on gay marriage after the famous California pastor said earlier this week that he was not a proponent of California's Proposition 8.
Mr. Warren told CNN's Larry King on Monday that he "never once even gave an endorsement" of the proposition, which said marriage in the state could only involve one man and one woman. The measure won at the polls last November by a close margin, in effect negating an earlier California Supreme Court ruling allowing gay marriages.
Proponents of the proposition had gathered from earlier comments that Mr. Warren stood with them on the issue, and they reacted vigorously to his CNN interview.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...
Hugh Hewitt is only marginally more credible than Michael Medved.
Hewitt threw a hissy fit the day that Tom Tancredo announced candidacy. I didn’t like Hewitt before, but that sealed it.
Does anyone remember that day on his show? He screamed, “no one cares about illegal immigration!”
Amen
Now, THAT is blasphemy!!!
I’m not a Rick Warren fan, and I am a Bible-thumping believer, but I don’t want the government getting involved in marriage at all.
You wrote “bottom.”
I’ve never liked this guy - he’s a little too caught up in his own fame.
Purpose Driven Life - nice words, but only that if the author follows them himself.
If you want to debate Osteen, just post whatever you want as an "OPEN" Thread.
There's nothing stopping you.
Rick Warren is just another Jim Bakker/Jimmy Swaggert-style whore.
You could argue that it’s not the government’s role to enforce morality (which is dubious but a more nuanced argument that resembles this can be made). More reasonable, you can argue that you don’t trust the government to enforce a morality you like, so you’d rather not push moral issues when you have a slim majority and set a precedent that could very easily swing the other way.
You could argue that the government should not even be in the business of issuing “marriage” and thus for political reasons oppose things that “strengthen” marriage as a legal institution.
There are probably any number of others I’m not thinking of. Opposing Prop 8 does not mean endorsing gay marriage or the homosexual lifestyle.
I’m not saying I subscribe to these arguments (as I stated, I supported Prob 8, though I think at this point it would be better if marriage were a religious institution, and the government’s primary involvement was in dealing with the contract involved), but they’re certainly not antithetical to Christianity.
John Eldredge - Wild at Heart.
Now there’s a REAL purpose driven life.
No surprise here. He has espoused a theology that is only an inch deep for years.
“Seriously. I’m not a huge fan of the guy, or many of those “seeker-oriented” churches, but can’t people show a little Christian grace? He’s not exactly a false prophet.”
He’s been a General in our war on Christianity and morality.
With this act, he’s basically halted fighting just long enough to run across the bloody battlefield to join the other side.
Here’s an article that posts his original statment of support for Prop 8:
http://www.abpnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3989&Itemid=53
What he has said twice this week is diametrically opposed to this.
No grace for heresy.
As I mentioned in post #51, it’s not heresy. There are legitimate reasons a Christian can oppose this policy even without supporting gay marriage.
Watch the video I linked.
Jesus said “Let the dead bury their dead.” Apparently, Rick Warren has an overpowering need to be liked and accepted by a “dead” world that embraces and champions homosexual marriage.
Make no mistake about it. Homosexual marriage is a secular, trendy, humanistic-driven perversion of the natural order, an order designed and blessed by Almighty God from the beginning. There is nothing spiritually acceptable about homosexual marriage to the faithful believing Christian whatsoever.
Of course not, but there’s no clear scriptural mandate that we legally ban it, or get the government involved in marriage at all. I think people are going overboard by calling him heretical or saying he’s sold his soul to the devil. Obviously he’s going PC, but that’s not quite on the same level.
So he lied about his previous actions. Still not heresy, even if it is wrong.
I didn't say he was gay. I just am wondering why a Christian would be against Prop 8. Address Warren's position without including me. Why would he be against Prop 8?
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