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Old-Earth Creationism
ICR ^ | March 2009 | Old-Earth Creationism by Henry Morris, Ph.D.

Posted on 03/25/2009 9:09:02 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Old-Earth Creationism

by Henry Morris, Ph.D.

Many evangelical leaders today, unfortunately, have capitulated to the evolutionary timescale of modern unbelieving geologists and astronomers. They feel that they must somehow reinterpret the Genesis record of creation to allow for billions of prehistoric years, which the evolutionists must have in order to make cosmic evolution and biological evolution seem feasible. This compromise is necessary, they say, in order to win scientists and other intellectuals to the Lord...

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Current Events; Religion & Science; Theology
KEYWORDS: creation; creativeevolution; darwin; darwinianevolution; dayage; evolution; gaptheory; hughross; humor; idfollies; intelligentdesign; multiplecreation; pantheisticevolution; processcreation; progressivecreati; progressivecreation; punctuational; theisticevolution; yecmoronswithphds
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To: Moonman62

“LOL”

There’s always that one in the crowd that laughs at his private joke, while all others are serious.

Some have compassion, while most others shake their heads in disgust.


21 posted on 03/25/2009 9:40:43 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Our God is truly and awesome God!

But he wasn't powerful enough to evolve us up from pond scum.

22 posted on 03/25/2009 9:41:33 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Havoc has been back since September. Or was it April?)
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To: guitarplayer1953

The only problem with the “Gap” Theory - it isn’t scriptural. It is a lame attempt to open a window to throw evolution into creation.


23 posted on 03/25/2009 9:42:01 PM PDT by TheBattman (Pray for our country....)
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Calling a well studied and highly intelligent person a moron is slightly sophomoric. Granted this forum is not the place for anyone to engage in an in-depth debate over these issues, but surely you can bring more than name calling. I personally believe in God and that he is the creator of all things, and once held the view that Dr. M presents, but no longer. Nevertheless, I still respect the man. I currently believe that the mind that is God, may well have created many universes, and probably re-created ours at least once after the initial act of creation... no hard evidence, just postulations from extrapolations of knowledge from differing sources.
24 posted on 03/25/2009 9:42:56 PM PDT by opaque soul
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To: guitarplayer1953

Please track that down for us. Have combed sever Bibles and run it through my Bible study software... no hits.


25 posted on 03/25/2009 9:43:20 PM PDT by TheBattman (Pray for our country....)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
But he wasn't powerful enough to evolve us up from pond scum.

His record is pretty clear - and doesn't mention using pond scum to make man.

Then again - there are some interesting modern translations out there that might say anything, so who knows about that!

26 posted on 03/25/2009 9:45:59 PM PDT by TheBattman (Pray for our country....)
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To: guitarplayer1953

The problem with the “gap theory” is that there is nothing in scripture to support it. - Its strictly a capitulation to humanism / naturalism, without basis in science or scripture.


27 posted on 03/25/2009 9:46:55 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: TheBattman

Let me look into to it about the kingdoms before and will post it. If you read the gen 1-2 in the original language and the original intent then there is room for the gap theory.


28 posted on 03/25/2009 9:47:22 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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To: opaque soul

[[Calling a well studied and highly intelligent person a moron is slightly sophomoric.]]

I call myself moronic all the time, yet I’m highly intelligent, sohpisticated and dag nabbit- quite handsome to boot- oh yeah, and I excell in modesty too


29 posted on 03/25/2009 9:48:12 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Sorry but I don’t think there’s anything “evolutionary” about believing in an old Earth or old universe, and I don’t think old-Earth creationism conflicts with the story of Genesis in any way. There is no reason to be absolutely, categorically sure that those days were literal days or that they were consecutive. Nothing about the Creation of the universe or of the Earth or of life is diminished by holding to an ancient universe or ancient Earth.

I don’t see it as “compromising” or “bending” or anything of the sort. Just because two separate theories, evolution and old-Earth creationism, call for an ancient universe and old earth, doesn’t necessarily mean that they have anything to do with each other. And it also doesn’t mean that old-Earth creationists believe that *people* have been around for eons.


30 posted on 03/25/2009 9:49:26 PM PDT by LifeComesFirst (Until the unborn are free, nobody is free)
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To: LifeComesFirst

So tell me, what then do you base your “old-Earth creationism” on?


31 posted on 03/25/2009 9:53:04 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: ElectricStrawberry
How Old is the Earth

His son went on record. Excerpt follows...

"The Institute for Creation Research has always taught, as an integral part of its ministry, the concept of the young earth. We have never put an absolute date on the age of the earth. We feel that the Bible doesn't provide all the information necessary for certainty, as shown by the fact that almost every Bible scholar who has ever tried to discern the exact date has come to slightly different conclusions. Maybe all the information is there but we just don't understand it fully yet."

"However, lest we be too concerned, every honest attempt to determine the date, starting with a deep commitment to the inerrancy of God's Word, has calculated a span of just a few thousand years, most likely close to 6000 years, since creation. The largest figure I've ever seen from a trustworthy scholar is approximately 15,000 years, but even this seems to stretch the Biblical data too far."

32 posted on 03/25/2009 9:53:27 PM PDT by DannyTN (Impeach and Deport)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

We didnt evolve from pond scum, and thats the problem with the theory of evolution in a nutshell.


33 posted on 03/25/2009 10:01:38 PM PDT by dddanonymous
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To: dddanonymous

Evolution is just a way for unbelievers to justify why they are here on earth. Its stupid, unlogical and down right foolish, because something, cant be created from nothing! Think about it! They talk of everything beginning with the big boom, OK, well something had to be created to cause a boom! Right?


34 posted on 03/25/2009 10:04:50 PM PDT by mrsalty
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To: TheBattman

Adam is a play on words — the Hebrew word adamah means dirt or dust.

doesn’t say much about man being created out of thin air.

If the earth is 4 billion years old, God didn’t get bored waiting for things to develop. The sun is a second generation star. Amino acids are created during the first cycle, allowing life. First generation stars don’t have the chemistry to support life. But it is so banal to argue about it.
The incarnation is more interesting. Luke ch 1:
“The Holy Spirit shall come upon you, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow you.”


35 posted on 03/25/2009 10:05:13 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT
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To: guitarplayer1953

Are you referring to the Hebrew word that is generally translated to “day”? If so, then there could be a “gap” between each “day” or period... But that just wouldn’t be consistent with good translational practice.


36 posted on 03/25/2009 10:07:03 PM PDT by TheBattman (Pray for our country....)
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To: dddanonymous
We didnt evolve from pond scum,

Right, because God couldn't take billions of years to create us. He only had the strength to do it in 7 days.

37 posted on 03/25/2009 10:11:50 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Havoc has been back since September. Or was it April?)
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To: mrsalty

some scientist used to mock the idea that the universe had a beginning. They believed in a static universe ... no beginning, no end, no change.

There wasn’t any evidence for a Big Bang, outside of Genesis. Of course, it wasn’t a bang, but a flash of electromagnetic energy ... otherwise known as .... Light.

The mind of God caused the Singularity. Kinda abstract, but the universe is abstract.

the background radiation discovered in the 50’s and the Hubble constant confirm that the universe is not eternal.


38 posted on 03/25/2009 10:13:54 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT
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To: mrsalty

Einstein equation sums it up perfectly. E=MC squared. Energy potential can be converted into matter and vice versa. Evolution claims that pond scum can somehow be converted into a human being. Or that the beginning of what they refer to as the Big Bang just happened to form our universe.

Biology, chemistry, geology, all relevant and good science. Evolution is not a science. It is propaganda.


39 posted on 03/25/2009 10:14:42 PM PDT by dddanonymous
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To: dddanonymous
Evolution is not a science.

Genesis is not a science.

40 posted on 03/25/2009 10:16:13 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Havoc has been back since September. Or was it April?)
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