Posted on 02/25/2009 12:56:41 PM PST by NYer
so true. Great points. Would love to see your mom’s cookbook :-).
Thank you. Now let’s try a small thought expiriment, shall we? Suppose a group of American Baptist laymen choose to fast, pray and engage in almsgiving for forty days in spiritual preparation for Easter? What then would you say about that idea?
FWIW, I was "ordained" in the Episcopal Church in 1977, first as deacon then as priest. In my current opinion I was never any of those things, while many Episcopalians hold that I still am. (M.Div. Virginia Theological Seminary, Alexandria VA 1976)
FWIW, I was "ordained" in the Episcopal Church in 1977, first as deacon then as priest. In my current opinion I was never any of those things, while many Episcopalians hold that I still am. (M.Div. Virginia Theological Seminary, Alexandria VA 1976)
Oh. They're coming to take my computer way now. But they've brought my meds, so that's all right.
I was ordained as a “Minister of the Gospel of Jesus Christ”. There is no other “office” to which one is ordained. I have served in various positions: pastor of several churches, chaplain in the Army, and now Bible teacher for both high school and college age students. I perform weddings and funerals, and preach as a substitute preacher in several different churches. I also conduct apologetics workshops in various churches. I suppose there is a process for “defrocking,” but have never looked into it.
I would say that is fine, but just don’t call it the Lenten season.
Really, how about they called it a Easter preparation season? That would be OK?
In reality, you are saying, you are a better Christian than Roman Catholics, and even implying we do not pratcie true Christianity, in your view, which, once again, you believe to be true, and our view to be false. You believe this strongly, and believe your view of the Bible is the correct view, where our view of the Bible is false.
I am a Roman Catholic, and a Christian, steeped in sin, and unworthy of His redemption, yet redeemed I am. We believe we do His will, and while imperfect, our faith continues to call us to Him.
Believe it or not, that is your choice, but you are not more holy than us, despite your so-called wisdom, learning, studying, and chaplaincy.
Thanks.
Actually, it's not hard to be more holy than I.
But what do we want here? I mean clearly LK thinks his mode of following Christ is better. If he didn't he'd change it. And clearly we disagree, or most of us would become Baptists.
The problem seems to be that the validity of the various stands seem almost "self-evident" to some who hold them. The rhetoric seems to suggest, "All I have to do is state what I think for those of good will to see that it's right." So when they persist in not agreeing with us, we start acting like they're clearly bad folks. Religious conversation involves, I think, provisionally entertaining what seems at first to be unthinkable.
That's difficult, so we rarely achieve any decent communication. When I suggest that LK may not quite understand what Lent is to us, and he responds, essentially, "Well, maybe YOU don't understand what Lent is to you," all we know is that there's a disagreement.
So, well, that's nice, I guess. But unless we can get some depth of understanding about the disagreement, it's hard to know what's been learned. I already knew Baptists don't think what Catholics think.
Rattlesnake: Taystes jest lahk CHIKKIN!
I understand what you are saying.
Still, I’m not coming on Baptist threads telling Baptists they’re wrong, either. I think we’re all brothers and sisters in Christ, as long as we proclaim Him Lord.
It’s not that I even think LiteKeeper is wrong about what “HE” believes, it’s just not what “I” believe. All I ask is he does not commit me to Hell for not believing what he believes. Is he doing that? No, I don’t see that. Still, thicker lines have been drawn and crossed quickly, too.
In the military, Chaplians have a role that transends mere minister, priest, or rabbi. I have used the services of many a chaplain and what denomination they were didn’t matter. However, if one was to tell me, without me even asking, that my denomination was wrong about something, that would be disturbing to me. At best he could refer me to a chaplain that shared my faith, if I had questions about MY faith (not his).
If I had question about a particular chaplain’s faith, that would be very different. Then I would expect him to tell me why his differs, why he considers it better, and why, in contrast, mine may be wrong.
I would never be so smug as a Catholic to consider my faith in Christ to be right and another person’s denomination to be wrong to the point of eternal damnation. I’m not implying that what LiteKeeper believes. But the arguments between Catholic and Protestant do go back to that and even bloodshed, and I hope as Christians we can avoid that today.
Bottom line is, I know I’m a sinner! But God promised to save me through his Son, so I believe that, too. We should at least (you, me, Litekeeper) share THAT belief.
Bumping this great thread.
All days during Lent are days of fasting — only one full meal.
Ash Wednesday, all Fridays are also days of abstaining from meat. Abstinence.
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