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To: B Knotts
The SSPX is in imperfect communion with the Holy See

"Imperfect communion"?! Do you deny that the SSPX is in schism?

It should also be remembered that there are many parts of the “regular” Church in the cultural West (U.S., Europe, Australia, etc.) are at in at least as irregular a situation, when one considers what actually goes on at the average parish.

"At in at least as irregular". Although I agree there are terrible abuses in some parishes which need to be addressed, surely you aren't attempting to draw some false equivocation between liturgical abuses and the schism of consecrating four bishops in defiance of the Pope? Are you part of the SSPX?

11 posted on 01/13/2009 4:15:05 PM PST by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: Ronaldus Magnus
Do you deny that the SSPX is in schism?

I'm not in any affiliated with the SSPX, but consider:

"The bishops, priests and faithful of the Society of St Pius X are not schismatics. It is Archbishop Lefebrve who has undertaken an illicit Episcopal consecration and therefore performed a schismatic act. It is for this reason that the Bishops consecrated by him have been suspended and excommunicated. The priests and faithful of the Society have not been excommunicated. They are not heretics." - Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos, February 8, 2007, in the German Die Tagespost.
17 posted on 01/13/2009 4:34:22 PM PST by irishjuggler
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To: Ronaldus Magnus
Do you deny that the SSPX is in schism? Pope Benedict(back to the time he was a cardinal) and Cardinal Castrillón Hoyos have repeatedly said the SSPX isn't in schism. I'm not willing to further than the Pope. Why are you? Being in schism has very specific meaning, it's not a term that should be thrown around lightly. The local parish in my town says that baptism is not necessary, and will only perform it in some cases, to "appease the grandparents." Should I consider them schismatic? Of course not.
22 posted on 01/13/2009 5:04:26 PM PST by nickcarraway (Are the Good Times Really Over?)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus
Although I agree there are terrible abuses in some parishes which need to be addressed, surely you aren't attempting to draw some false equivocation between liturgical abuses and the schism of consecrating four bishops in defiance of the Pope? Are you part of the SSPX?

No, I am not part of the SSPX, and only very occasionally even assist at a Traditional Latin Mass. I am a member of a ordinary parish which leans a bit conservative, perhaps. What I am saying is that the substance of disobedience at many American parishes goes far beyond liturgical abuse; there is widespread disobedience of papal and magisterial authority in at least some areas (e.g., how many persons involved in parish ministries or even chancery employees disregard moral teachings on contraception, homosexual unions or the male priesthood). That is why I place it in the same category as the SSPX disobedience. It may actually be more serious, considering the subject matter. I am challenging people to think about it in the same light.

FYI, the SSPX is not necessarily "in schism"; that is why I used the term that I used. They are certainly in imperfect communion with the Pope, however, which is still a very serious problem.

29 posted on 01/13/2009 6:07:40 PM PST by B Knotts (ConservatismCentral.com)
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